Paranoid Android Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Mike Ashley. Invests loads of money in the club and team sits 3rd in the premiership. Result? Hated by all the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrr Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Mike Ashley. Invests loads of money in the club and team sits 3rd in the premiership. Result? Hated by all the fans.Are you honestly defending the decision to rename the stadium or have I misread your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsum_Fantastic Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Mike Ashley. Invests loads of money in the club and team sits 3rd in the premiership. Result? Hated by all the fans.RIght, yes we are third now and he has brought finacialy stability, he had done a lot recently to help rebuild his reputation around ST JAMES, we are sitting third and have a decend squad. No depth as we wills ee with the numerous injries to key players in our thin squad. There was controversy two years ago to the day ( i think) when he branded it SportsDirect@St.James this was to advertise the fact that this could be bought by other companies and used in the same vein. The lies and silences from the top have not helped the wya the fans see him. Lies will not get you anywhere. So when shortly after the @St.James thing happened a journalist asked Derek Llambias if the name St James' Park would always remain as the official stadium name. His reply was "Absolutely. In our reign, absolutely." It is the lies i cannot stand. I can't see much extra rebeune coming from adversting a comapny he alreay owns, get the spoinser then think about renaming it!!!!also this "I would hope it would generate between £8 million and £10 million a year. That would give us another player. The club needs to be self-sufficient, and this will help us be self-sufficient."Yes, we do need to go that one step further to compete. Yes, we do. We have had an exceptional year, and long may it continue, but the fans want us to buy more players."We need to bring in a striker in January, we will need replacements in the summer and we need to give ourselves as much as possible."There is no guarantee we will find a sponsor between now and then, but we have to give ourselves the opportunity and this is one."We have to keep going at it. We can't just say 'Oh, it hasn't worked out, let's go back to what we were'. We have to give ourselves the maximum opportunity to sell it."I totally respect the tradition and history of the club. That is always going to be there, but we need to move with the times and this is progression."We need to move on. We are not disrespecting our fans at all. Far from it. We are trying to make it affordable and put players on the pitch."We have exhausted all our other revenue streams, retail is not good - that produces next to nothing, quite honestly - so we need to bring in more, quite honestly."We have been out there a long time looking. We lose Northern Rock as a sponsor this year, so it gives me a very small window to get a new shirt sponsor and hopefully a stadium sponsor at the same time."We understand that side of it (fan resistance to referring to the ground by any other name), but it is the sponsor's responsibility, as well as ours, to move forward. Time will dissolve that."The history will always be there, we just become part of the history or they become part of the history. We just need to make sure we give ourselves the opportunity."You know Chelsea has come out to basically say they are going to re-name their present stadium. Now, they have a long history as well, but they have an owner who actually has more money than God."We can't compare ourselves to Abramovich, we have not got that sort of money, so if we want to compete with the big boys, we have to bring more money in." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not directly speaking about that, more just that when he does something the fans don't like he gets insane levels of vitriol but anytime something goes right he can't possibly get any credit.But really re-naming the stadium is a sad turn of events but inevitable. It wont be long before every ground in the premiership is named after some corporation, like it or not. And the fact that it's happening to Newcastle is no worse than it happening to any other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Who fucking cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran_imray Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 It wont be long before every ground in the premiership is named after some corporation, like it or not. And the fact that it's happening to Newcastle is no worse than it happening to any other team.It probably will spread to many other teams. The issue here really is that a traditional stadium is being re-named for money. That's pretty rough. It isn't like when Arsenal left Highbury and moved to a new build that was named after a company, and may well be renamed depending on future sponsorship, St James' Park is a historic ground. It would be like Barcelona suddenly calling the Camp Nou the Stadio Telefonica. It's not going to go down well with fans.It isn't so much the fact that Newcastle United's home games will be at the Sports Direct Arena (or whatever it is being called), it's the fact that they will still be at St James Park but with a silly name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh_Jazz Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The only club in the world where (in the eyes of the fans) the chairman appears to be more important than the results on the pitch.Most fucked up club on the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Who fucking cares?Two months before Ewood Park is called "The Chicken Drumstick Bucket". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I do see the difference and understand why it upsets fans. I don't really want to defend the decision at all. I just find the whole relationship between Newcastle fans and Mike Ashley quite amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrr Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Ashley is Two-Face and two-faced. He's done great work with the balance sheets and has helped set-up the best scouting network/negotiating team we've had in years, but the man is never far from a PR disaster and he deserves every drop of hate he gets. Look at Steve's post. He's a chronic liar with zero honour or integrity. His treatment of loyal professionals like Kevin Keegan, Chris Hughton and Kevin Nolan was absolutely appalling, even if we are in a good place at the moment (statistically and financially). I credit the man when he deserve it but he's an absolute parasite who made a big mistake buying this club and is now trying to rectify it by squeezing as much as he can out of the club.Ashley knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. The Premier League and Sky have done plenty of good and I'm not one of the "modern football is shit" brigade, but I edge closer and closer to that point of view every day. You cannot sell tradition. This debacle might net us a bit of extra dough but you cannot put a price on heritage. When I next make the 9-hour Aberdeen-Newcastle round-trip I won't be going to watch football at the Sports Direct Arena: I'll be going to St. James' Park.There's is nothing good about this whatsoever. Ashley is slowly turning us into a bland, soulless corporation. Football is a business, yes, but it's a hugely sentimental one. I've been accused of being overly-sentimental on many occaisions, but what is football without sentimentality, emotion and tradition? Sounds really fucking boring to me, and definitely not something I want anything to do with.At the end of the day, I'm not surprised. Football's gentrification has been underway for years and I can't see the rampant commercialisation stopping any time soon. Pretty soon every I'll be watching "Sports Direct United" playing in a horrible, faceless arena and I'll have probably paid over £100 for the privilege. Financial Fair Play is only going to amplify this as club owners look to milk as much money as they can from their clubs. Bring on the days of Manchester Etihad vs. London Red Emirates. Can't bloody wait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsum_Fantastic Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not directly speaking about that, more just that when he does something the fans don't like he gets insane levels of vitriol but anytime something goes right he can't possibly get any credit.But really re-naming the stadium is a sad turn of events but inevitable. It wont be long before every ground in the premiership is named after some corporation, like it or not. And the fact that it's happening to Newcastle is no worse than it happening to any other team.He was loved at the start, then he made mistakes and the hatred started, he made some very very bad decisions but most fans i talk to know that he has made us finaically stable so i don't know where you are getting this "gets no credit" shit from. Of course we are going to be upset when we are lied to, of course we are going to be upset when part of our heritage is messed about with. I agree that is most likely is inevitable, really though can we not wait until there is a sponser coming in? Bad timing as well. People love to paint us as idiots who are deluded and ungrateful, this is not the case at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrr Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I do see the difference and understand why it upsets fans. I don't really want to defend the decision at all. I just find the whole relationship between Newcastle fans and Mike Ashley quite amusing.I honestly think you are one of the best posters on this forum, but you are so wide of the mark on this that I don't even know where to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Two months before Ewood Park is called "The Chicken Drumstick Bucket".Blackburn couldn't be any more of a joke than they are already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Flattery will get you everywhere Murrr, I'll stop and accept your arguments.The whole Newcastle situation is just confusing to me anyway. After years of taking great pleasure in disliking them suddenly wanting them to do well this season is boggling the mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Back on to the actual football, this international break doesn't seem to be as tedious as they sometimes might be. Some good games to look forward to. The play-offs should of course be interesting. I'm looking forward to England - Spain. I assume the English players will really want to prove themselves against a very good team.Sadly Scotland away to cyprus will probably be a total non event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Good preview of the play-offs here http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/nov/10/euro-2012-playoffs-bosnia-portugalI'm hoping for wins for Bosnia, Turkey, Montenegro and Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The competition will be better viewing with Ronaldo and Nani there IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 That is probably true, or at least it should be. I haven't found Portugal to be that entertaining in the last couple of tournaments. Although they can always be trusted to knock out England which is handy. However Bosnia, aside from a couple of players, are an unknown team to me who reportedly are very talented and play good football. Teams which take you by surprise and do well can be one of the best things about international tournaments and doesn't happen as much as it used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The competition will be better viewing with Ronaldo and Nani there IMO.I agree. I don't care for Portugal, but these tournaments need players like Ronaldo there, for the silly goals and stupid tricks. There's not many other european showboaters. They all seem to be from South America these days, and that's not in Europe. Even the Spaniards don't have a showboater. They just ping the ball around. Sometimes Ramos does a Cruyff turn or Pedro will lollipop stick his way over the byline, but that's about it.Hopefully Ballotelli will do something mental. Maybe a firework to celebrate the scoring of a goal.Have Sweden qualified? Football always needs the gift of Zlatan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Cambridge's stadium (using that word in a quite loose sense) has been sponsored for a number of seasons, doesn't make much difference.Our cup match against Wrexham is live on the Welsh Channel 4 thingy tomorrow night - SC4 I think it's called, should be a cracking game against two in-form BSP sides... probably be a shit 0-0 now I said that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam 45 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think the discussion needs to be reared towards the real football news. Culter Juniors re-instated to the Scottish Cup. Home draw to Partick Thistle. Hope they keep the tie at Crombie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorge Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I think the discussion needs to be reared towards the real football news. Culter Juniors re-instated to the Scottish Cup. Home draw to Partick Thistle. Hope they keep the tie at Crombie.Yep, Jags fans have until tomorrow to reserve seats. I'm down in Englandshire that weekend but would love to have had a pice of it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Tomorrow, Phil Jones is going to smash through David Villa like on Gladtiators, when the contestant swings from the rope and flies through that paper sheet and onto a crash mat, ripping a big person shaped hole in it. David Villa will be laid in a pile on the floor, like that episode of Family Guy where Peter wishes he had no bones.I don't really care what the score is. Just as long as NeanderPhil sacrifices the life of a puny Spaniard, using only his fuck ugly face as some sort of battering ram, like E-Honda.I love similees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I think the discussion needs to be reared towards the real football news. Culter Juniors re-instated to the Scottish Cup. Home draw to Partick Thistle. Hope they keep the tie at Crombie.I saw them playing St Ternan last season. They won 5-0 against a decent St Ternan team and went on to win the league. They were good all over the pitch, but had 2-3 really good players, if i remember correctly. A couple of ex Div 2 and 3 players also. Good luck to 'em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Tomorrow, Phil Jones is going to smash through David Villa like on Gladtiators, when the contestant swings from the rope and flies through that paper sheet and onto a crash mat, ripping a big person shaped hole in it. David Villa will be laid in a pile on the floor, like that episode of Family Guy where Peter wishes he had no bones.I don't really care what the score is. Just as long as NeanderPhil sacrifices the life of a puny Spaniard, using only his fuck ugly face as some sort of battering ram, like E-Honda.I love similees.Excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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