psydoll Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 I'm sorry but to me a song about death and fighting is rather depressing! I have listened to the whole song. It is rousing and implies that we should rise up against England. How can you say that it is not anti English?I thought the lyrics were about how we rose up against the English invading? It doesn't say 'go down to England and batter them out of their semi-detached homes' now does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onlynik Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 I'm sorry but to me a song about death and fighting is rather depressing! I have listened to the whole song. It is rousing and implies that we should rise up against England. How can you say that it is not anti English?Those days are past now,And in the pastthey must remain,But we can still rise now,And be the nation again,The first TWO lines, those days are past now and in the past they must remain. That's not a call to war or too rise against anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Caledonia is a good choice, but the best version I've heard to date was on the Frankie Miller Tribute Album which has lead vocals by Fish, Brian Robertson on lead guitar, and the rest of the music played by The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, as well as piper and drums... a great version, done by some of Scotland's best artists.On the Fish vibe I'd have to go wqith the great Internal Exile which has long been my favourite cynical, yet deeply Scottish song:Internal Exile...I saw a blue umbrella in Princes Street GardensHeading out west for the Lothian RoadAn Evening News stuffed deep in his pocketWrapped up in his problems to keep away the coldGrierson's spirit haunts the dockyardsWhere the only men working are onDocumentary crewsShooting film as the lines get longerAs the seams run out, as the oil runs dryHey there laddie, Internal ExileWhen will you realise we've got to let go?Hey there lassie, Internal ExileWhen will you realise we've got to let go?Starlings wheeling round Georgian spiresAnd the fires of Grangemouth burn the skiesA lion sleeps in a tenement closeIn a country that's tired and deaf to his roarHey there laddie, Internal ExileWhen will you realise we've got to let go?Hey there lassie, Internal ExileWhen will you realise we've got to let go?They bury a wasteland deep in the wildernessPoison the soil and reap the harvestOf blind indifference, greed and apathySowed way back in our historyThe fish are few the harbours emptyThe keels now rot on our oil-slicked shoresThe sheep are gone, the farms desertedWe're out of sight and we're out of mindHey there laddie, Internal ExileWhen will you realise we've got to let go?Hey there lassie, Internal ExileWhen will you realise we've got to let go?Like our fathers before usWe've eyes for AmericaDream of a new life on foreign shoresBut wherever we go, we'll always knowThat the land we stand on is never our ownHey there laddie, Internal ExileWhen will you realise we've got to let go?Hey there lassie, Internal ExileWhen will you realise we've got to let go?Brilliant rock song complete with pipes etc...love it...CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neubeatz Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 How 'bout "Sailing",??? a good Scots song, and made internationally famous by Rod the Mod! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Scots Wha Hae - Robert Burns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Laura@TMB Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Caledonia is a good choice' date=' but the best version I've heard to date was on the Frankie Miller Tribute Album which has lead vocals by Fish, Brian Robertson on lead guitar, and the rest of the music played by The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, as well as piper and drums... a great version, done by some of Scotland's best artists.[/quote']Am I right in thinking it was Frankie Miller's version of the song that was used for the Tennent's Lager adverts some years ago? Wait a minute - there's no chance of this song ever being used as an anthem for Scotland, as it was once used to advertise alcohol, ergo it will definitely encourage binge drinking Yeah right.2nd choice would be Wild Mountain Thyme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Actually if you want to get into semantics England is the only country that has never been defined as either a nation or a country by boundry lines. Whoever split the countries that make up Britain, defined the borders for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, but just labelled the rest as England. So if anything England is less of a nation than Scotland.but neither of them are nations, the united kingdom is.unfortunately some of the things written in this thread just prove how many Scots have a chip on their shoulder regarding the english, as people for some reason have to belittle the english and try to put scots above the english. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplefrodo Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 away an take yer face for a shite cuntybaws(joke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Am I right in thinking it was Frankie Miller's version of the song that was used for the Tennent's Lager adverts some years ago? Wait a minute - there's no chance of this song ever being used as an anthem for Scotland' date=' as it was once used to advertise alcohol, ergo it will definitely encourage binge drinking Yeah right.2nd choice would be Wild Mountain Thyme.[/quote']Yeah it was indeed, It was Frankie's biggest ever hit, and ironically he suffered a stroke that stopped him playing again about a year later. Frankie is a great musician, a very underated Scottish name, it's well worth picking up the Tribute album, a great and eclectic album, but worth it for the rerecording of Caledonia alone, and Robert Carlyle's version of Brigtown is great too...CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plato the Greek Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 but neither of them are nations' date=' the united kingdom is.unfortunately some of the things written in this thread just prove how many Scots have a chip on their shoulder regarding the english, as people for some reason have to belittle the english and try to put scots above the english.[/quote']Regardless of opinion the United Kingdom is definitely not a nation. It is a state - an artificially constructed political entity, joining various regions together under one flag etc. To truly be a nation requires some kind of sense of bonded common purpose or heritage but not necessarily a political boundary - this being the reason why, for example, the Palestinians or Kurds are a nation, even though they have no totally autonomous or sovereign physical territory. To describe the UK as a nation is baffling considering both its hugely different constituent parts and the nature of its coming into being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Anyone that thinks "God Save The Queen" is the national anthem of Scotland deserves to be taken out for a good kicking. Also, if you dislike "Flower of Scotland" for it's anti-English lyrics perhaps you should take a closer look at this:Lord grant that Marshal WadeMay by thy mighty aidVictory bring.May he sedition hush,And like a torrent rush,Rebellious Scots to crush.God save the Queen!Yay! It's the 6th verse of "Scotland's" national anthem, "God Save The Queen". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest user Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Anyone that thinks "God Save The Queen" is the national anthem of Scotland deserves to be taken out for a good kicking. Also' date=' if you dislike "Flower of Scotland" for it's anti-English lyrics perhaps you should take a closer look at this:Lord grant that Marshal WadeMay by thy mighty aidVictory bring.May he sedition hush,And like a torrent rush,Rebellious Scots to crush.God save the Queen!Yay! It's the 6th verse of "Scotland's" national anthem, "God Save The Queen".[/quote']Scottish people are arrogent, they need to stop living in the past! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ibid Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 I'm sorry but to me a song about death and fighting is rather depressing! I have listened to the whole song. It is rousing and implies that we should rise up against England. How can you say that it is not anti English?Actually, it's a call to arms against Edward I, not the English. As he was trying to subjugate Scotland, it's fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ibid Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Yeah it was indeed' date=' It was Frankie's biggest ever hit, and ironically he suffered a stroke that stopped him playing again about a year later. Frankie is a great musician, a very underated Scottish name, it's well worth picking up the Tribute album, a great and eclectic album, but worth it for the rerecording of Caledonia alone, and Robert Carlyle's version of Brigtown is great too...CheersStuart[/quote']I was just speaking to Frankie at the last Musician's Union meeting and he's well recovered and back singing. Sadly, his wife died recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimr Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Scottish people are arrogent' date=' they need to stop living in the past![/quote']English people are all wankers.Welsh people all practise beastiality.French people are all snotty.Irish people are all stupid.I love the "lets throw about idiotic generalisations" game.I don't particularly mind being part of the UK. However Nationalism is a link to the past. It is a link to a culture now almost completely destroyed. I prefere to think of myself as Scottish because I am a weak person. I like retreating into fantasies about free peoples roaming over the land going on quests and shit. Sounds rad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 I was just speaking to Frankie at the last Musician's Union meeting and he's well recovered and back singing. Sadly' date=' his wife died recently.[/quote']I didn't know that, it must have been quite sudden Jo played at the Frankie Miller Tribute Gig at Barrowlands and was mewant to be on the tribute album, but there were publishing problems with the track she did sadly and it never made it, tho I believe Frankie really liked it. I knew he was well on the way to recovery, glad to see he's making music again, definitely one of Scotland's most influential and underated musicians, much the same as Alex Harvey imo.CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Scottish people are arrogent' date=' they need to stop living in the past![/quote']No, in the most part they need to be more historically aware - as do you. More Scottish history should be taught in our schools so movies like Braveheart don't become accepted fact. I think you'd find that English scholars are now criticising Hollywood history's erosion of English history too.Scottish history doesn't create a hatred of English people or bitterness, rather it creates an understanding of the present political make-up of our country and the complicated relationship between our nations.A lot of English people would find it valuable researching and understanding these issues too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 if people accept braveheart as fact then i don't think any amount of education will help then, when the battle of stirling bridge does not involve a bridge you must now there's something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psydoll Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 On a tenuously related topic I'm most amused watching the Arsenal vs.Man Utd. game repeat just now and they're playing God Save The Queen. It's amusing how few English people are in the starting lineup and I think only Wes Brown and Paul Scholes are singing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neil ex Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 It has to be either2) The First Big Weekend - Arab StrapDaveyeah but could you imagine the scottish football team lined up accross the pitch before an international match singing the first big weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntedbyafreak Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 The Delgados 'All You Need Is Hate', anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Flower of Scotland is the unofficial one, so I'd just go with that.I've been given into trouble for refusing to sing "God save the queen" before. I dont' believe in the monarchy, thus will never sing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 myself and another class member remained seated at our graduation when they played God Save The Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 I'd rather leave the country than sing God Save The Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikola Tesla Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I still will never understand why having a national anthem is relevant to any one? I mean patriotism is ridiculous. People are proud of a peice of rock that has existed longer than we have? yet we claim owner ship over it?? Plus also countries are only marked by invisible boundries we set up in our heads, and put down in maps. I think we should have gotten over this whole thing a long long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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