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Been messing about with some stuff in Reaper over the past few days and getting to grips with it. Mainly been applying EQ to drums etc. It is quite a modest recording set up we had, but it's given me a chance to put into practice some of the points people have mentioned here and on other threads (phase, EQ on snares etc)

It's the jargon busting that I think the hardest bit is. When I'm looking for something in particular I just click lots of things until i find it. There's always the undo button I guess.

What's the best way to mic up a guitar cab? Are there any free VSTs that are good (especially for guitar amp modelling)? I've had a shot of Guitar Rig in the past and it is okay - is there anything else that is more worthy of the investment?

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What's the best way to mic up a guitar cab? Are there any free VSTs that are good (especially for guitar amp modelling)? I've had a shot of Guitar Rig in the past and it is okay - is there anything else that is more worthy of the investment?

There's not any best way to do it to be honest man. Everyone has their own methods. One to try is the dark/bright combination; get two mics on a cab, one fairly dark and one fairly bright. This is where ribbons are great, given that they are almost always fairly dull on the top end and fat in the low mids, but you can balance the two channels and you can usually get away with zero EQ if the mics are placed well. Generally the mics for this approach should be about 6-7 inches off the cone in my experience.

The other thing you could try is get two of the same mic and place one on-axis and the other off-axis (center of cone and off center); the closer to the middle of the speaker you are then the brighter it sounds.

You need to get phase right though if you're using more than one mic, so try and get the mics equidistant from the speaker as much as you possibly can. If you use two '57s or something then this is normally a piece of piss, or flip the phase on one mic and place both mics until it sounds its thinnest and shittiest, then flip the phase again on that mic and it should sound good.

Also try one mic up close on the grill (a 57 or something) and an ambient mic (a condenser or something) placed a few feet back. This might sound shit if the room is shit though.

So much to try, but the general rule is 'if it sounds good, then it is good'.

In my experience, guitar modellers are getting better, but it'll never replace mic'ing up a great sounding amp. I've found these things never seem to sit in a mix quite as well either.

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I don't have a midi device but I have Reaper and hundreds of drum samples. Any tips on what I could use or how to trigger the drum samples?

If the samples are just hits you can just place the wavs at the points you want them in the bar to make drum patterns. One track per sound so you can effect and eq them the way you want ... I'm not familiar with reaper so don't know what it's capabilities are but that's how I'd treat it in cubase.

Is that the kind of thing you were after?

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If the samples are just hits you can just place the wavs at the points you want them in the bar to make drum patterns. One track per sound so you can effect and eq them the way you want ... I'm not familiar with reaper so don't know what it's capabilities are but that's how I'd treat it in cubase.

Is that the kind of thing you were after?

Yeah, thanks. I'm just not 100% of the correct method but your thoughts are appreciated. I'll give it a shot.

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Yeah, thanks. I'm just not 100% of the correct method but your thoughts are appreciated. I'll give it a shot.

There isn't a correct way to do it. Another option would be using a sequencer plugin. I'm sure there are some free sequencer bits of software you could use to midi up the sounds and route to keyboard... then just play your sampled drums hits as a kit into reaper as a midi drum track. You could play it in quite natural sounding or you could quantise all the hits so it's more clinical or a bit of both, just fix any really stray hits.

I've got a huge library of classic (and not so classic) drum machines, electric kits and synthesised drum sounds if you would like a copy.

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A great tool is downloading Tux Guitar (google it). It's pretty similar to guitar pro.

Use that and create a drum track and then export the midi to Reaper and assign whatever sample you need to each hit you programmed in Tux.

Because it works using regular notation, you can change drum "note" lengths and such.

Idea of a number key is:

36 = bass drum

40 = snare

44 = closed hats

46 = open hats

48/47/45/43/41 = toms (high to low)

51/53 = ride

52 = china

55 = splash

57/49 = crash

and so on.

Those numbers are what you program into a guitar tab style layout when you select the instrument to be percussion track.

If you don't understand that description, go on to 911tabs.com and download a guitar pro tab of something and then read the tracks whilst listening. It's surprisingly straightforward :)

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It'd obviously take a wee while in terms of sorting out dynamics and swells of cymbals etc. after first triggering each of the tracks using your good quality samples.

I'd love to get some kick ass samples and then spend lots of time sorting the dynamics of the track and then just adding guitar tracks to that using the Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 that I'm eventually going to buy and use with my Sennheiser E835 mic'ing my ENGL E670 SE EL34 which goes into an ENGL Std 4x12.

(Thought I'd add recording setup to make my contributions to the thread valid ;) )

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Hi folks. I'm new to this forum, but it seems right up my street. I'm an Aberdeen based bloke, currently in the throes of setting up my new home studio. (Pics below). Still got to replace the garage door with a wall, and treat the space acoustically, but I'm almost there...

(He says until he sees the next piece of tasty gear...)

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Still got lots to do, but it all takes time huh?

I use a MBP with Logic 9 & Reason 4 to track my stuff. I have no ambition of being a 'superstar'. I just use my studio as a place to experiment and have fun sonically.

best

rick.

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It's actually not old in the slightest, it just refuses to record and play at the same time with 3+ tracks (when there are other programs open). Close the programs, it's fine.

I don't know, it just sounds a little fuzzy, but I'll agree that suits the style of song (alt-folk, sorta lo-fi).

Buy an external hard drive man!!!

With a 7200 rpm external HD (which your DAW is reading and writing to), You should be able to smoke 40-50 tracks easy.

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Hi folks. I'm new to this forum, but it seems right up my street. I'm an Aberdeen based bloke, currently in the throes of setting up my new home studio. (Pics below). Still got to replace the garage door with a wall, and treat the space acoustically, but I'm almost there...

(He says until he sees the next piece of tasty gear...)

rick.

Hi Rick

Looks like a nice recording space you have there. I like that you're able to do acoustic drums too.

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