fatboy Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 needing some advice peepsgot a set of valves for my birthday from my dad, he ordered them online so didn't choose them myselfi think they're these ones but could be mistaken 6L6SVT WINGED 'C'have a look at actual pictures to be sure?(as you can see they base of the valves has "pc 70" and "tc 6" on them and on the box, they are quad matched and each box has an orange stickernow according to the bugera biasing instructions (see below) the voltage bias needs be set to the grade of tubes that is installedwhat are the grade of tubes i have bought so i can properly bias my ampdoes the "winged C's" mean that the grade of the tube is C???please help thankenyoumuchly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeid Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 You can bias your amp as you please. It doesn't have to be exactly as they say. My Peavey is biased a lot colder than the tubes should be biased at. The ones in my Marshall are probably the same.Nice choice of tube, I put them in my Marshall. Best thing I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Biasing basically means altering the voltage across the valves in your amp. Each amp will have a specific biasing range, e.g. my 50W Vintage Modern likes its valves between 44 to 48 mV.Biasing an amp "hot" means increasing the voltage above the recommended range. I think this means that the sound will break up (distort) quicker but the side effect of this is your valves will also die quicker.Biasing the amp "cold" means decreasing the voltage below the recommended range. As the inverse of hot, this will smooth out your sound and make valves last longer.Perhaps obviously, too hot or too cold will make your amp sound like arse... Although, some [strange] people quite like this!I believe the grading above describes the break up of the tube. I can't remember whether A grade break up first or last but I'm pretty sure that's what the spectrum illustrates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeid Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Biasing your amp cold will make your output tubes last longer. This isn't a bad thing, especially if you're running your amp very loud a lot of the time. If you bias your tubes hotter and use the amp loud a lot, the life of your tubes will decrease quicker. If you bias your amp hotter, you'll also get saturation earlier than if you bias them cold.Pretty much every amp company put their amps out biased very cold, mainly to make the tubes last longer. With your Bugera, I wouldn't worry about it being biased hot. It'll work quite well biased on the cold side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairyScaryMark Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Biasing an amp "hot" means increasing the voltage above the recommended range. I think this means that the sound will break up (distort) quicker but the side effect of this is your valves will also die quicker.Biasing the amp "cold" means decreasing the voltage below the recommended range. As the inverse of hot, this will smooth out your sound and make valves last longer.I think that might be the wrong way round in part. My understanding is that higher voltage means they can run with greater volume and clarity before breaking up and lower voltage means they break up sooner."Apart from this safety/valve survival issue, bias adjustment becomes a matter of taste. High current gives you power/volume, clarity, good top end. If the idle current is set too high (under bias) then the valves will run too hot and the life of the valves will be reduced significantly. Less current gives you earlier break-up, with less volume, less clarity and top end. If the current is set too low (over bias) the tone of the amp may be thin and lacking volume." How to bias a valve amplifier, valve amplifier biasing, biasing valves, from hifiandaudio.com, Review Hifiandaudio.com, about hifiandaudio.com"Don't be confused with terms like "raising the bias". This is a bit confusing because raising the bias voltage, I.E. making the bias voltage bigger by going from -40vdc to -50vdc will cause the tube dissipation to be reduced. Or it could mean to make the bias voltage more positive by going from -50vdc to -40vdc causing the tube to dissipate more power."Types of Tube - Valve Bias Information HTML Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I think that might be the wrong way round in part. My understanding is that higher voltage means they can run with greater volume and clarity before breaking up and lower voltage means they break up sooner."Apart from this safety/valve survival issue, bias adjustment becomes a matter of taste. High current gives you power/volume, clarity, good top end. If the idle current is set too high (under bias) then the valves will run too hot and the life of the valves will be reduced significantly. Less current gives you earlier break-up, with less volume, less clarity and top end. If the current is set too low (over bias) the tone of the amp may be thin and lacking volume." How to bias a valve amplifier, valve amplifier biasing, biasing valves, from hifiandaudio.com, Review Hifiandaudio.com, about hifiandaudio.com"Don't be confused with terms like "raising the bias". This is a bit confusing because raising the bias voltage, I.E. making the bias voltage bigger by going from -40vdc to -50vdc will cause the tube dissipation to be reduced. Or it could mean to make the bias voltage more positive by going from -50vdc to -40vdc causing the tube to dissipate more power."Types of Tube - Valve Bias Information HTML PageI think you're confusing voltage and current.Your first example mentions "high current" which implicitly means "low voltage" (P = IV), i.e. cold biased or reducing the voltage across the valves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imprinted Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 The last thing to mention is that the Winged C is just the name of the Brand rather than the grade mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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