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Afternoon of the Long Knives

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That wasn't so bad, was it? We pretty much knew what he was going to say, and the cuts are really just a readjustment back to sensible ways after the profligacy of the last government. The left can splutter all it likes about the review putting the recovery at risk and being "regressive" (the actual word used by the BBC economics editor, impartiality went totally out the window with these guys a long time ago), the fact is Labour just had its worst election result in a quarter of a century because people know that they can't be trusted with the economy. They haven't put forward anything like a serious alternative plan of action and it will be a long, long time before they're taken seriously again.

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There wasn't much we didn't know about already. 7Bn more cuts to benefits planned. Half a million public sector jobs to go. Of course, they'll be more private sector jobs on top of that once contracts are cancelled. You do have to worry about the people on the fringes, and no one likes/trusts means testing... Still, I don't know if this is going to hurt the majority of people any more than the '08/'09 recession did.

Just please, God, make them stop saying we're all in this together. Could the left and the right not cut a deal? I'm just about as sick of hearing about 'fairness'

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the worst fucking thing was all the jeering and cheering as they announced them. what a bunch of utter utter cunts. we're cutting 490, 000 public sector jobs! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy! woooooo!

pricks.

big society my fucking arse. tories are a joke and have done exactly what everyone warned they would. they just couldn't wait to cut cut cut! and clegg is a fucking turncoat yellow tory.

i'm not naive, cuts were needed but today was shit. to use today as a way of point scoring and waving paper across the room while jeering was ridiculous, and to say champion the cuts as being not so bad because they managed to cut an extra 7 BILLION from benefits is ridiculous. don't worry middle class voters, we're taking it all from poor people instead.

disgusting.

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Personally, I work in the public sector because every private sector employer I've ever had have been totally malevolent cunts, that by the end, I wouldn't piss on were they on fire. Diverting more money towards cunts like that is despicable. Money for their mates is the alpha and omega of this CSR, corrupt agencies that facilitate graft= quango unbonfired, agency that critically examines business=burn that fucker. For the Conservatives, this is not a financial crisis but a long-awaited opportunity | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian

As for retirement age, I've already decided I'm putting no effort into anything I don't like after 60 anyway, the body may be enchained but the mind is perpetually free.

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Personally, I work in the public sector because every private sector employer I've ever had have been totally malevolent cunts, that by the end, I wouldn't piss on were they on fire.

This is the childish, delusional, and sheltered attitude of someone who could do with wider work experience and not reading CiF all day. :up:

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I do wonder why a Tory (sorry, "coalition") cabinet of millionaires have elected to attack the public sector and welfare state rather than investigating legalised tax avoidance and the accountability/taxing of the banking system and it's multi-million pound transactions...

It's political pointscoring rather than balanced policy, and I for one am absolutely disgusted that, by voting Lib Dem in the election, I am partially responsible. Never again Mr Clegg, never again.

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I do wonder why a Tory (sorry, "coalition") cabinet of millionaires have elected to attack the public sector and welfare state rather than investigating legalised tax avoidance and the accountability/taxing of the banking system and it's multi-million pound transactions...

BBC News - Spending Review: Can the taxman fix the system?

They are, and they're introducing a levy on the banks.

I know people aren't happy about the paring back of welfare and public services but we have some potentially horrific liabilities, particularly with regard to public pensions and legacy pre-privatisation pensions.

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I don't see why some Lib Dem supporters are so anti-Clegg for forming the coalition Government. Are they angry that their safe vote for the party of "don't know" and "doesn't matter" actually yielded some sort of Governmental power? I can't get my head round it.

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I feel sorry for the Lib-Dems. They've received very little acknowledgement for their influence on policy, especially the changes in taxation, and a massive amount of abuse for forming government with the Conservatives.

I suppose this is inevitable when you're a party with an ideological base that will never be a majority power.

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I don't see why some Lib Dem supporters are so anti-Clegg for forming the coalition Government. Are they angry that their safe vote for the party of "don't know" and "doesn't matter" actually yielded some sort of Governmental power? I can't get my head round it.

With the greatest of respect, that's bollocks. The Lib Dems had a manifesto like anyone else, and they should know as well as any of us that the people who voted them were emphatically NOT voting for the Tories or a Tory alliance. If Clegg genuinely doesn't understand that, he's so far divorced from reality it's untrue.

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With the greatest of respect, that's bollocks. The Lib Dems had a manifesto like anyone else, and they should know as well as any of us that the people who voted them were emphatically NOT voting for the Tories or a Tory alliance. If Clegg genuinely doesn't understand that, he's so far divorced from reality it's untrue.

One of the central tenets of the Liberal Democrat party is a commitment to reform of the voting system to a form of proportional representation. If they were to succeed in this aim, it would mean that every government in future would be made up of a a coalition of parties. It follows that by voting Lib Dem, you give tacit approval to the concept of a coalition and that you trust the leaders of the party to do what they can to help form a government and enact as many of their policies as possible, as this is the model they wish to impose on all parties. Remember also that the people voting for them were not just emphatically not voting Conservative, they were equally emphatic in their rejection of Labour.

The recent history of the Lib Dems is fascinating, not just for the moral knots the membership and the wider electorate have tied themselves up in since the coalition was formed, but also because the public perception of the party is very different to what it actually stands for. They found many new followers in the aftermath of the Iraq war who were attracted by Kennedy's canny positioning of himself to the left of Blair, but the party as a whole remained very much in the centre ground that moderate Conservatives often find themselves in. Remember, this is the party of David Owen and Paddy Ashdown, two men who could quite easily have found themselves in Thatcher or Major's cabinet had the political sands shifted slightly. It's a party that grew out of a wholesale rejection of socialism in the 80s and who have worked effectively with Conservatives at local council level across the country for years. Anyone who voted for them in the hope that they were a left-wing, or even centre-left alternative to Labour didn't do their homework.

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BBC News - Spending Review: Can the taxman fix the system?

They are, and they're introducing a levy on the banks.

I know people aren't happy about the paring back of welfare and public services but we have some potentially horrific liabilities, particularly with regard to public pensions and legacy pre-privatisation pensions.

hmm, a 2.5 billion levy on banks while letting vodafone off with a 6 billion tax bill. good work there.

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hmm, a 2.5 billion levy on banks while letting vodafone off with a 6 billion tax bill. good work there.

4.8Bn, given HMRC are settling for 1.2Bn. And that dispute has run a decade already.

And everyone knows the bank levy is a token but a 2.5 Billion token is still quite a token. If they want to properly reform banking, they'll have to 'fess up to all the off balance sheet nasties first. Perhaps their apparent lack of interest in this will prove a mistake, given their honeymoon period amnesty to blame everything on the last government.

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One of the central tenets of the Liberal Democrat party is a commitment to reform of the voting system to a form of proportional representation. If they were to succeed in this aim, it would mean that every government in future would be made up of a a coalition of parties. It follows that by voting Lib Dem, you give tacit approval to the concept of a coalition and that you trust the leaders of the party to do what they can to help form a government and enact as many of their policies as possible, as this is the model they wish to impose on all parties. Remember also that the people voting for them were not just emphatically not voting Conservative, they were equally emphatic in their rejection of Labour.

The recent history of the Lib Dems is fascinating, not just for the moral knots the membership and the wider electorate have tied themselves up in since the coalition was formed, but also because the public perception of the party is very different to what it actually stands for. They found many new followers in the aftermath of the Iraq war who were attracted by Kennedy's canny positioning of himself to the left of Blair, but the party as a whole remained very much in the centre ground that moderate Conservatives often find themselves in. Remember, this is the party of David Owen and Paddy Ashdown, two men who could quite easily have found themselves in Thatcher or Major's cabinet had the political sands shifted slightly. It's a party that grew out of a wholesale rejection of socialism in the 80s and who have worked effectively with Conservatives at local council level across the country for years. Anyone who voted for them in the hope that they were a left-wing, or even centre-left alternative to Labour didn't do their homework.

I voted fro them becasue I agreed with much of their manifesto, and particularly their pledge on tuition fees and so I'm pissed off that they decided to ignore that, I'm pissed off that Vince Cable announced it and pretty much destroyed his credibility, it was a Tory reform, why didnt Cameron do it, ah yes so it will go down as being remembered as Cable's announcement. I'm pissed off that they seem to have destroyed anything they held in their manifesto except PR and i don't really see the point in that tbh as no bugger will ever vote for them again, Lib Dem Support was huge in the University towns etc and now they've lost that; I have been incredibly disappointed in the actions of the Coalition and the only way I would ever consider voting for Clegg again is if after they get the PR vote through they dissolve the coalition. It's been a joke it's not a coalition it's a Tory government which is fine, I just hate the pretense it's otherwise, Clegg and Cable must go, bring back Charles Kennedy, he could have done something of value imo.

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