waltz Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Out of curiosity, who do you think are "really, really" good in the entire Scotland squad? Like has been said, I think Scotland are at the level of a top 6 championship team.4-3-3, I wouldn't have done personally. but 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 was a definitely on. Don't like Levein but it is ridiculous to ask for him to be fired atm.I think Gordon, Hutton, Darren Fletcher, (given time) Dorrans and Steven Fletcher is a really good spine for a Scotland team. Unfortunately, they're not being used correctly.EDIT: The latter three, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Out of curiosity, who do you think are "really, really" good in the entire Scotland squad? Like has been said, I think Scotland are at the level of a top 6 championship team.4-3-3, I wouldn't have done personally. but 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 was a definitely on. Don't like Levein but it is ridiculous to ask for him to be fired atm.4-3-3 pretty much is 4-5-1 by todays standards. The widemen push up when in possession to make up the 3, and drop back when not to make up the 5. Unless you're Chelsea, then it's 4-3-3 when not in possession and 3-1-6 when they are.If I were the gaffer, I'd bring in Kris Commons a bit more. He's a poor mans Frank Lampard, but he's got great vision and a keen eye for goal. He's probably one of few Scottish players who can play a forward pass with a bit of intent about it too. He really wanders about and doesn't just stay glued to his position. That attacking freedom is difficult to mark and keep pinned down. There'd be no harm in giving Robert Snodgrass a go either. He hasn't really played at a high level yet, but I think he's capable of it. Looks very confident with the ball at his feet and can actually run forwards with it for more than 10 yards and not tumble over. Two feet too. and can fling it into the box from either flank.But I'm not the gaffer. Your loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 I think Gordon, Hutton, Darren Fletcher, (given time) Dorrans and Steven Fletcher is a really good spine for a Scotland team. Unfortunately, they're not being used correctly.EDIT: The latter three, that is.Hutton, D.Fletcher and maybe Gordon are the only ones there that could be classed as really good, in an international context though, no? Dorrans and S.Fletcher play for struggling premiership teams. I'd hardly count that as really really good. Jus' sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 West Brom are hardly struggling...yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Hutton, D.Fletcher and maybe Gordon are the only ones there that could be classed as really good, in an international context though, no? Dorrans and S.Fletcher play for struggling premiership teams. I'd hardly count that as really really good. Jus' sayin'.The quality of the team doesn't necessarily indicate the quality of the player though. He's not Scottish, but I've always thought Kevin Doyle is a top notch striker, but he's always played for teams lingering around the bottom of the Premiership or in the Championship. I personally think he could play for an upper mid table side like Villa or Birmingham and do a fine job. He was even linked with Arsenal last season.Alan Hutton struggles to play consistently for his club, so just because he's at a more comfortable Premier League club, I don't think that makes him a more worthy player.However, you do have a point. I think the team a player plays for can hinder their chances as an international. Like Matt Le Tissier, who was quite probably the most gifted English player of his generation, but he turned down moves to Spurs and Man United, stuck with Southampton, and played for England less than 10 times. Similarly, I don't think Darren Fletcher would get into the Scotland side if he played for West Ham, or whoever else is struggling in the PL. He plays for a side who tend to dominate games, but in games that United don't dominate, Fletcher looks ineffective. Which is why I don't think he's suited for Scotland. He can run the game when his side are on top. He steadies the ship and tidies up, but I don't think he can play an underdog role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waltz Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Hutton, D.Fletcher and maybe Gordon are the only ones there that could be classed as really good, in an international context though, no? Dorrans and S.Fletcher play for struggling premiership teams. I'd hardly count that as really really good. Jus' sayin'.West Brom are sixth.Not every 'world class' player needs to play for a Champions League side, though, do they? Marchetti, Italy's goalkeeper (while Buffon was injured) in the World Cup plays for Cagliari, and he's excellent.I have a lot of belief in the players, they're the same lot from McLeish's reign, give or take a couple, and that was by all accounts a good Scotland side. The only thing that's different now is totally negative tactics and bizarre selections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 If anyone is bored this afternoon and wants to witness what I have to endure week in week out, Fleetwood Town vs Cambridge United can be viewed here. Kick Off 4PMMyP2P.eu :: Blue Square Premier League - Fleetwood Town vs. Cambridge United Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 If anyone is bored this afternoon and wants to witness what I have to endure week in week out, Fleetwood Town vs Cambridge United can be viewed here. Kick Off 4PMMyP2P.eu :: Blue Square Premier League - Fleetwood Town vs. Cambridge UnitedGood early posession. Edit: oh dear god Double edit: Game on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 oh fuck, i feel for you, that was shit.[edit]1-1!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Seen the size of Fleetwood's captain!? Jesus, he's probably about 18 stone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 we're certainly playing a bit better than of late! only our second away goal of the season! bet we still lose mind! and yes there are a number of rather bulky players down here in the 5th tier of English football! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 we're certainly playing a bit better than of late! only our second away goal of the season! bet we still lose mind! and yes there are a number of rather bulky players down here in the 5th tier of English football!Let me know how the 2nd half goes. Quite enjoyed that but got stuff to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Let me know how the 2nd half goes. Quite enjoyed that but got stuff to do.Finished 2-2, good performance by Cambridge shame our defence continues to be dodgy but happy with an away point against one of the big spenders in this league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Out of interest, what constitutes a "big spender" at that level? What sort of money are spent on transfer fees? Do teams with more money tend to use it more to pay higher fees or attract players with higher wages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorge Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Glad I didn't make the trip oop north as it turns out. Groan..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Out of interest, what constitutes a "big spender" at that level? What sort of money are spent on transfer fees? Do teams with more money tend to use it more to pay higher fees or attract players with higher wages?The commentator mentioned a 'five figure sum' being spent on fleetwood's centre half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Chamber Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Glad I didn't make the trip oop north as it turns out. Groan.....No longer an essential piece of silverware, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Crawley Town Paid 275k for York City striker Richard Brodie. It's been reported their manager has funds of up to a million in the transfer window if needed although Crawley's manager has denied this! They're being bankrolled by someone who won the Euro Millions lottery!At conference level its more about the wage budget than transfer fees regarding 'big spenders' as most players move around clubs on a free so Crawley shelling out that kind of money for a player is the minority as opposed to the minority. Apparently Cambridge have a wage budget of 800K a year which according to our manager is in the top 8. Mansfield Town have just been taken over by a local millionaire.More and more investors are investing at this end of the spectrum as obviously it's much cheaper! Sadly we don't have a massive backer but do have a chairman whose a lifelong supporter and keeps filling in the gaps when the club loses money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Crawley Town Paid 275k for York City striker Richard Brodie. Wow, that seems huge for that level. Especially in the current state of football. How long's it been since Aberdeen spent that much on a transfer fee?It's an interesting development that millionaire football fans have been pushed out of the top end of football by the arrival of the billionaires and are now taking their money down to the lower levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 it is, thats a conference record for a player. He is pretty good as you'd expect. Little shite always scores against us!!!! In comparison we only paid for one player 10k for Daryl Clare and thats proving to be wasted money so far! But as I say you don't get many transfer fees down here as most players are on short term contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Sadly we don't have a massive backer but do have a chairman whose a lifelong supporter and keeps filling in the gaps when the club loses money! Pity he can't fill in the gaps when you keep losing points! Looks like we may have to put off our anticipated CU Vs Barnet league match, Next year Barnet will be BSP but you guys will be (knowing your luck) BSN*.*You'd expect BSS but, as I said, knowing your luck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 How long's it been since Aberdeen spent that much on a transfer fee?BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Dundee | Lovell completes move to Aberdeen250k for Steve Lovell in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 BBC Sport - Football - Marseille could take legal action against Nigel de JongYAWN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Pity he can't fill in the gaps when you keep losing points! Looks like we may have to put off our anticipated CU Vs Barnet league match, Next year Barnet will be BSP but you guys will be (knowing your luck) BSN*.*You'd expect BSS but, as I said, knowing your luck...We're in the northern half of the draw for the FA Cup today! I'd like to say we're too good to go down but having seen some of the dross we've played this season I'd be lying. But we should have enough in the tank to get out this mess. Better performance yesterday but should we lose at home to Barrow next Saturday that good result will mean nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorge Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 No longer an essential piece of silverware, then?It's a fucking Diddy Cup and means absolutley fuck all. Nev will agree with me.Crawley Town Paid 275k for York City striker Richard Brodie. It's been reported their manager has funds of up to a million in the transfer window if needed although Crawley's manager has denied this! They're being bankrolled by someone who won the Euro Millions lottery!That'll be Steve 'Criminal' Evans' lot aye? Wanker of the very highest order.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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