soundian Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Why is that then, since SM58s are generally found halfway into a singer's mouth in a live environment and SM58s are found on just about everything else?sm58_large.gifsm57_large.gif Science innit. SM58's are used on stage for vocalists because they generally don't go home blubbing to mummy when the klutz of a singer drops it. When someone decides that they're so angst-ridden that smashing a microphone off the wall/their head/the drummer's head is the only way to relieve the mental torment you won't find an SM58 lying on the floor, it's plastic capsule shattered and it's diaphragm exposed to the world like those weedy 57s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam 45 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 sm58_large.gifsm57_large.gif Science innit. SM58's are used on stage for vocalists because they generally don't go home blubbing to mummy when the klutz of a singer drops it. When someone decides that they're so angst-ridden that smashing a microphone off the wall/their head/the drummer's head is the only way to relieve the mental torment you won't find an SM58 lying on the floor, it's plastic capsule shattered and it's diaphragm exposed to the world like those weedy 57s.And for the fact that on a 58 the grill covers the rearports, meaning the singer can't cover them with his/her hand like on a 57 making the 57 more of a omni-directional polar pattern resulting in a world of feedback from the monitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 And for the fact that on a 58 the grill covers the rearports, meaning the singer can't cover them with his/her hand like on a 57 making the 57 more of a omni-directional polar pattern resulting in a world of feedback from the monitor. Covering any part of the grill affects how a 58 works as well. It gets a little 'boxy' when the singers hand is hard up against the base of the grill. It's certainly a change in the polar pattern that causes feedback but I'm not sure if it's just the frequency response or the actual shape of the pattern itself, most likely both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsby Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Cheers for the advice guys, ended up getting a good deal on a secondhand 57 on US ebay. A pal of mine who lives in the states is bringing back some guitar related goodies for me, so he can take the mic too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tam o' Shantie Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 sm58_large.gifsm57_large.gif Science innit. SM58's are used on stage for vocalists because they generally don't go home blubbing to mummy when the klutz of a singer drops it. When someone decides that they're so angst-ridden that smashing a microphone off the wall/their head/the drummer's head is the only way to relieve the mental torment you won't find an SM58 lying on the floor, it's plastic capsule shattered and it's diaphragm exposed to the world like those weedy 57s.Whoops, I meant to say 58s in a singer's gob and 57s on everything else (like cabs & snare drums). Which takes me back to my question - why do 57s have a bass roll off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Whoops, I meant to say 58s in a singer's gob and 57s on everything else (like cabs & snare drums). Which takes me back to my question - why do 57s have a bass roll off?1) filter out some of the low end mush2) reduce the effect of mechanical noise 3) reduce the proximity effect when close-miked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tam o' Shantie Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 ...so back to my question - why doesn't the SM58 have low end roll off to counter proximity effect, when it invariably ends up .1mm away from the singer's mouth? Edit...just did a search and both models apparently have an engineered bass roll-off.Then again, I suppose any mic that has been designed with a frequency response in mind could be described as having an engineered bass roll-off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britheguy Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Just don't ask why I know about these clips..... Great thread by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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