ca_gere Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Been reading Stuart Maconie's book recently and he talks a lot about various bands and music business people and how they are all the same. Got me thinking about clichs that exist in music. Perhaps some that local bands are guilty of too.e.g. A band getting interviewed : 'we just make the music we like, If people like and buy our records that's just a bonus'orAn electronic dj/musician who has a laptop. Because the laptop is on stage and can be seen the 'lid' is covered with stickers of obscure record labels or ironic 'help the aged' badges. Because as we all know, stickers on a laptop is the accepted measure of coolness.There must be tonnes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Been reading Stuart Maconie's book recently and he talks a lot about various bands and music business people and how they are all the same. Got me thinking about clichs that exist in music. Perhaps some that local bands are guilty of too.e.g. A band getting interviewed : 'we just make the music we like, If people like and buy our records that's just a bonus'orAn electronic dj/musician who has a laptop. Because the laptop is on stage and can be seen the 'lid' is covered with stickers of obscure record labels or ironic 'help the aged' badges. Because as we all know, stickers on a laptop is the accepted measure of coolness.There must be tonnes.You could also argue that begrudging someone of openly liking what is to be considered "obscure" as quite the clich as well, as if people are really doing it score some kind of points, and not because the music is genuinely being enjoyed. I mean, are you expecting it to be covered in Celine Dion and Sony BMG stickers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 You could also argue that begrudging someone of openly liking what is to be considered "obscure" as quite the clich as well, as if people are really doing it score some kind of points, and not because the music is genuinely being enjoyed. I mean, are you expecting it to be covered in Celine Dion and Sony BMG stickers?I'm not bothered about it or begrudging anyone. It's a clich is all. I don't expect a laptop to be covered in stickers full stop. You not got any to offer? I started this thread as a genuine attempt to get a discussion going about music clichs as I think it's a good topic and has potential to turn into a good thred, not as an attempt to prove i'm cool. I mean, i'm postin on a message board on the internet to pass the time at my job as IT support. Trust me, im not cool. I'm dreadfully sorry if you took it the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Jack Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Singers introducing the band during an instrumental bit. Especially using "Mr...""And on the bass, Mr ..."Guitarists ending a song with howling feedback, putting it through a phase effect or something, and leaving the stage. (only to scuttle back on 30 seconds later and switch off the amp when the promoter kicks his arse)Fake endings with pre-planned 'encores'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Singers introducing the band during an instrumental bit. Especially using "Mr...""And on the bass, Mr ..."More bands should do that. It's old skool and I like it. Always with a little solo/show off bit on their selected instrument for a few bars then back to the rhythm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Your God Now Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Not sure if it's a clich or not, but I hate it when people say "We didn't want to be like every other band out there" While they look and sound like every other band out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I'm not bothered about it or begrudging anyone. It's a clich is all. I don't expect a laptop to be covered in stickers full stop. You not got any to offer? I started this thread as a genuine attempt to get a discussion going about music clichs as I think it's a good topic and has potential to turn into a good thred, not as an attempt to prove i'm cool. I mean, i'm postin on a message board on the internet to pass the time at my job as IT support. Trust me, im not cool. I'm dreadfully sorry if you took it the wrong way.Oh, it wasn't aimed directly back at you. I understand the clich you're speaking of. I'm just suggesting that that particular one goes both ways in my opinion. Not as a counter attack or anything. reading back the last sentence, it came across that way, but it wasn't intentional.As has been mentioned, speaking of things during the set that are planned, that English Ska/Punk band called [spunge] (yes, brackets and all). used to write the actions on their setlist between the songs. Including such trivial events as "so-and-so asks if everyone is having a good time" "so-and-so takes swig of beer and then talks about beer" "so-and-so sprays beer on audience". I wouldn't say that's a clich, as I've never heard of any other band being so fucking stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
get lost Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Singers introducing the band during an instrumental bit. Especially using "Mr...""And on the bass, Mr ..."Guitarists ending a song with howling feedback, putting it through a phase effect or something, and leaving the stage. (only to scuttle back on 30 seconds later and switch off the amp when the promoter kicks his arse)Fake endings with pre-planned 'encores'.Blame Kurt Cobain, however, I like that thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatHand Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 You could also argue that begrudging someone of openly liking what is to be considered "obscure" as quite the clich as well, as if people are really doing it score some kind of points, and not because the music is genuinely being enjoyed. I mean, are you expecting it to be covered in Celine Dion and Sony BMG stickers?I take it your laptop is covered in stickers then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Your God Now Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I know Mr Hetfield has done that for a while, shouting "Mr Hammet" before a solo or "Mr Ulrich" when someone shouts "Who is the weak link in the band?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewarden Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Bands saying (insert town/city/countrise name) is their favourite place to play.Yawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Stu Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Fischerspooner - Odyssey.And it's a cracker of an album. I read somewhere that they did it on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Oh, it wasn't aimed directly back at you. I understand the clich you're speaking of. I'm just suggesting that that particular one goes both ways in my opinion. Not as a counter attack or anything. reading back the last sentence, it came across that way, but it wasn't intentional.As has been mentioned, speaking of things during the set that are planned, that English Ska/Punk band called [spunge] (yes, brackets and all). used to write the actions on their setlist between the songs. Including such trivial events as "so-and-so asks if everyone is having a good time" "so-and-so takes swig of beer and then talks about beer" "so-and-so sprays beer on audience". I wouldn't say that's a clich, as I've never heard of any other band being so fucking stupid!Fair do's. Did come across as if instead of offering anything new, you were just nit picking at what i said. I can see your point tho... a cynical attitude towards anything that is 'cool' is a music clich in itself. Also, I remember seeing spunge and their raucousness did seem very planned. Definite clich coz i'm sure loads of bands pre plan their random acts of rock and rollery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Your God Now Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 "YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING CRAZY!!!"No, they're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Bands saying (insert town/city/countrise name) is their favourite place to play.YawnAh, it's great when they bait between towns though"Man, last night, they thought they knew how to rock in Manchester"*Audience boo's*"But obviously they've never been to BIRMINGHAM!!!!"*Audience erupts. Rocking song starts*Rock and roll is bitchin'. Yeah yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Bands saying (insert town/city/countrise name) is their favourite place to play.YawnWhen Julian Cope said it at the Lemon Tree, I felt it was genuine. And noone is gonna persuade me otherwise.(it totally wasn't) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Also, I remember seeing spunge and their raucousness did seem very planned. Definite clich coz i'm sure loads of bands pre plan their random acts of rock and rollery.Ha, I bet they do. I've never seen it on a setlist before though. I bet the crazed fan that grabbed it off the monitor at the end was a bit disappointed that his favourite band were a bit of a pantomime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Your God Now Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 "We've never played this one before, so we might fuck up! LOLZ"You have rehearsed it though, right?Saying "Certain music is become a total clich" has become one itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Ha, I bet they do. I've never seen it on a setlist before though. I bet the crazed fan that grabbed it off the monitor at the end was a bit disappointed that his favourite band were a bit of a pantomime.Hey, don't you ever call Spunge pantomime... fifteen year old me will rip throught the space time continuum and punch you in the face.Current me will just nod in agreement however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I can't even remember what Spunge sounded like. I don't remember hating them. I just found the scan of their setlist quite humerous at the time. Aren't a few of them full-blown racists? I remember a bit of a war kicking off on Fracture Forum involving one of them many years ago. Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Blame Kurt Cobain, however, I like that thing....What is Kurt Cobain getting the blame for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 All i remember about spunge is an incredibly tight snare drum. Jump on demand was their signature tune. Listening back to it now, it isn't great. They fulfilled a musical need for me back in the day tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waltz Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Any lyric where 'air' and 'care' rhyme. Mostly to do with hands being in the air. I've heard it loads of times and it pisses me off. Even Pavement did it. And I love Pavement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Any lyric where 'air' and 'care' rhyme. Mostly to do with hands being in the air. I've heard it loads of times and it pisses me off. Even Pavement did it. And I love Pavement.I just don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 band photographs are wrought with cliches. You can't look too happy, not all band members may look at the camera, there has to be at least one who is looking elsewhere, why not stand at different lenghts away from the camera to add depth? With the singer in the foreground of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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