Skacel Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Especially the arseholes who use the "we fought in the war" line.I usually ask "what war?".I usually ask "War!? What is it good for?"Absolutely nothing!Say it again! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Stu Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Especially the arseholes who use the "we fought in the war" line.I usually ask "what war?".They must have been so disarmed by by your post-modern irony.If only Hitler had been a hipster twat... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Iv'e never heard that one....did you read that in a magazine or an Oor Willie book??(Clearly you don't do things to torment old people enough.It's much easier in Poland, you can just accuse them of collaborating with the Russians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest droid Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Dude,the old people that i know are fantastic human beings,and i have loads of RESPECT for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Cloud, you're an asspiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Cloud, you're an asspiece.There's an ignore user function. Why don't you use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Because I like calling you an asspiece.Oh, btw, you broke your record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Because I like calling you an asspiece.Where did you go to school? You shouldn't start sentences with 'because'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Ok, thanks Cloud.Because.However, you are actually speaking shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Where did you go to school? You shouldn't start sentences with 'because'.Not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyboy Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Where did you go to school? You shouldn't start sentences with 'because'.You're an English teacher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nev Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Cloud. You're speaking shite again. Because of this fact, I hae posted to tell you so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain burrito Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 You're an English teacher?in poland obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hobo Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 in poland obviously.With Roger Kimmet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 There's an ignore user function. Why don't you use it?The problem with putting you on the ignore user list is that people invariably quote yr posts and berate you for talking shite, thus meaning that I get to see yr drivel anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Because is definitely a word that may be used at the start of a sentence. Roger Kimmit, however, should never be mentioned in any sentence ever. He went to my school, then turned up living in my uni halls a couple years later. He's like a turd nugget that won't flush. I swear I'm gonna go into work one day and he'll be sat next to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 The problem with putting you on the ignore user list is that people invariably quote yr posts and berate you for talking shite, thus meaning that I get to see yr drivel anyway.Using 'yr' is one of the greatest examples around of just how English shouldn't be used.It amuses me that people keep replying..is it some kind of urge that people have? The urge to show just how manly they are? The overwhelming need to belong?Roger Kimmit' date=' however, should never be mentioned in any sentence ever. He went to my school, then turned up living in my uni halls a couple years later. He's like a turd nugget that won't flush. I swear I'm gonna go into work one day and he'll be sat next to me.[/quote']Did you live in the halls near the BP garage?Not true.It may not be true in terms of correct grammar, but so many people are taught this way and stick to it that it's becoming wrong, even if it's not wrong in the eyes of grammar freaks and bearded Cambridge/Oxford workers.Anyway, it's ugly to start a sentence with 'because'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Did you live in the halls near the BP garage?Yes. Bout 6 years ago or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Yes. Bout 6 years ago or so.He invited us to a party there...turned up for a laugh, it was immediately obvious that everyone hated him there and yet he was trying to tell us (and everyone at the party) how much weed he sold and how much of a dealer he was. I remeber wondering how long it would be before everyone in those flats would kick the shit out of him for being such a complete nob.No idea what's happened to him lately actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyboy Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 It may not be true in terms of correct grammar, but so many people are taught this way and stick to it that it's becoming wrong, even if it's not wrong in the eyes of grammar freaks and bearded Cambridge/Oxford workers.Anyway, it's ugly to start a sentence with 'because'.Pretty sure you have that the wrong way round; perhaps Robert Lowth might have thought it was wrong, but no one here bar you seems to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Pretty sure you have that the wrong way round; perhaps Robert Lowth might have thought it was wrong, but no one here bar you seems to agree.Most people on here aren't responsible for teaching people English either, are they? I very much doubt most people on here (without resorting to Google) can tell you when and when not to use because - and given that the rule is so arcane, it's simply better to avoid using it to start a sentence.If you can use it correctly, great - but when it is taught as a rule in English speaking schools, combined with obscure rules as to when it is actually allowed - I'd argue any day that it's simply easier to avoid using it. Given that there's no central authority for English - if it's being taught in schools as 'wrong' and is being taught in the ESL world as something to avoid using (unless you're teaching CPE!) - isn't it really wrong?Anyway, I stand by my point - it's exceptionally ugly to start a sentence with because. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Stu Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Promotion FTW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyboy Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Most people on here aren't responsible for teaching people English either, are they? I very much doubt most people on here (without resorting to Google) can tell you when and when not to use because - and given that the rule is so arcane, it's simply better to avoid using it to start a sentence.If you can use it correctly, great - but when it is taught as a rule in English speaking schools, combined with obscure rules as to when it is actually allowed - I'd argue any day that it's simply easier to avoid using it.Anyway, I stand by my point - it's exceptionally ugly to start a sentence with because.But there is no such rule: as far as I'm aware grammarians don't agree on whether or not starting a sentence with a conjunction is "wrong". I disagree that it's ugly: it's perfectly natural (see, I did it again with "but" just up there). Same with ending a sentence with a preposition (at least at one point that was an accepted "rule"). I disagree that it's taught as a rule in schools: I don't remember being taught so and as I pointed out, apparently neither does anyone else here. You all but claimed it was a rule then unsuccessfully sidestepped after showing yourself up as incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 But there is no such rule: as far as I'm aware grammarians don't agree on whether or not starting a sentence with a conjunction is "wrong".Do English grammarians agree on anything? Even books that some teachers regard as being authoritative (Murphy being a great example) are simply written to suit the language. I disagree that it's ugly: it's perfectly natural (see, I did it again with "but" just up there"). So much of English is natural but wrong though - look at the way that Scots will use phrases like 'my hair needs washed' or 'the cat wants out' - both of those are absolutely natural to my ears too, but they're wrong.Anyway, even if it's natural, it would be punished by Cambridge examiners. And given that Cambridge exams are the closest thing that English has to a standardised test that's widely accepted - then they do have considerable influence, even if you or I don't agree. I disagree that it's taught as a rule in schools: I don't remember being taught so and as I pointed out, apparently neither does anyone else here. Probably because most of them are arguing for the sake of argument. It certainly was taught in my primary and secondary schools, and even in different countries. Or maybe they simply had bad teachers that accepted the use of 'because' to start a sentence. You all but claimed it was a rule then unsuccessfully sidestepped after showing yourself up as incompetent. It's as good a rule as you'll get in English grammar - bearing in mind that even accepted authorities disagree on English (oh, the joy of having to explain to someone why Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries aren't exactly the same).Anyway, bearing in mind the widespread use of 'because' to start a sentence by people that can easily be called chavs, would you or anyone else educated really want to use it?Do you really teach people to start sentences with because? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyboy Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Do English grammarians agree on anything? Even books that some teachers regard as being authoritative (Murphy being a great example) are simply written to suit the language. So much of English is natural but wrong though - look at the way that Scots will use phrases like 'my hair needs washed' or 'the cat wants out' - both of those are absolutely natural to my ears too, but they're wrong.Anyway, even if it's natural, it would be punished by Cambridge examiners. And given that Cambridge exams are the closest thing that English has to a standardised test that's widely accepted - then they do have considerable influence, even if you or I don't agree. Probably because most of them are arguing for the sake of argument. It certainly was taught in my primary and secondary schools, and even in different countries. Or maybe they simply had bad teachers that accepted the use of 'because' to start a sentence. It's as good a rule as you'll get in English grammar - bearing in mind that even accepted authorities disagree on English (oh, the joy of having to explain to someone why Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries aren't exactly the same).Anyway, bearing in mind the widespread use of 'because' to start a sentence by people that can easily be called chavs, would you or anyone else educated really want to use it?Do you really teach people to start sentences with because?A couple of regional idioms aren't the same as the use of a basic part of speech. Neither does pointing to whole books which don't agree in part. Again, show me the consensus one cannot start a sentence with "because"? Show me this "rule"? A few posts ago you were claiming it was not a rule (deriding "grammar freaks and bearded Cambridge/Oxford workers"), merely that it was unnatural or "ugly". Then you claimed its use was guided by "arcane" rules and its use was dependent on context or further "obscure rules". Now you claim it is a rule. There is no such rule.You are also wrong about Cambridge ESOL exams having some sort of monopoly on ESL testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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