Downfall

[The Milner]

It is shit when bands dont hang around to see the others, especially when theres fuck all audience but the bands are there to play their stuff first and to watch other bands second, sometimes its just not convenient to hang around and watch other bands if youve got work/college/whatever early the next day and you have to travel. So you cant really blame the bands, just do more promotion and get people to the shows and you wont have to rely on the bands your playing with to be the audience as well!

This used to be an argument i got into quite a lot with one of my old bands, our crowd used to be quite bad for doing this, however my argument always was, they paid their money to come see us, not any of the other bands, we were the reason they came to the gig in the first place. This is not to say we were amazing or anything like that, we just had our own fan base who maybe only enjoyed watching us. If someone pays their money it is their choice if they want to waste it only watching one band. There is also the bus thing amonst others.

[paranoid]

why does everything have to be a true representation of a logo? nothing wrong with originality in the world... (argue/moan/patronise if you truly must)

I was just yankin your chain dude, wasn't being serious.

[mattdownfall]

Ah the good old haircut debate is back .

I've played with Downfall a few times now and it's not my cup of crushed cats . The sets dragged on and it just seemed to be a mediocre carbon copy of something Zakk Wylde would do.

Then again i listen to bands that sing about Chemical Castrations , Kurt Russell and Killing Technology so what would i know

Why is it that members from ablach and bonesaw seem to moan about us constantly.

We're just a band working away and gigging. I always try and stay positive towards bands and look for things they've done well, even if it's not my thing.

But people like you are ruining that for me. I thought your type of music and your attitude was to open peoples minds, accept everyone, do it yourself and support your local whatever. Why should we do it for you if all you can do is critise anyone or anything that isn't exactly like you.

Just because we don't blast beat, screech, play incomprehensible riffs and write our band name in some fucked up writing that no one can read doesn't mean we suck or that we're a copy of anything. I could just as easily say that you're a carbon copy of pig destroyer or bloodbath. But you're doing your own thing within your genre and so are we.

All I could hear through our drummonds set (which was only half an hour, same as everyone else) was bonesaw bonesaw, bonesaw bonesaw, that doesn't sound like the kind of support you seem to want from everyone else.

Right i'm going back to being positive and enjoying music cause all this acting like a miserable fucker stuff doesn't work for me.

Sorry to have been so wordy but I've enough of getting slagged for doing nothing except play what I play.

I'd like to say thanks to everyone who's left messages of support or something constructive. I really appreciate it.

Choose your fate 21st. Moorings fuck aye.

[The Subtle Arts]

This thread should be left to rot now before any other arguements start up. It's not doing any good as anyones views or constructive comments just get shat upon by others who have different opinions.

[Spaced]

Matt, why are you criticising other bands the one thing you have to remember is if you are in a band your hardly going to stop playing because some crusty bastardo (no offence to anyone) says he dosnt like the music you play. it is a difference of opinion he likes what he does and you like what you do simple as.

and now you must wait and watch the inevetable backlash that will follow with these past few posts so....................duck and cover

Spaced

[Bonesaw Bazz]

Why is it that members from ablach and bonesaw seem to moan about us constantly.

We're just a band working away and gigging. I always try and stay positive towards bands and look for things they've done well, even if it's not my thing.

But people like you are ruining that for me. I thought your type of music and your attitude was to open peoples minds, accept everyone, do it yourself and support your local whatever. Why should we do it for you if all you can do is critise anyone or anything that isn't exactly like you.

Just because we don't blast beat, screech, play incomprehensible riffs and write our band name in some fucked up writing that no one can read doesn't mean we suck or that we're a copy of anything. I could just as easily say that you're a carbon copy of pig destroyer or bloodbath. But you're doing your own thing within your genre and so are we.

All I could hear through our drummonds set (which was only half an hour, same as everyone else) was bonesaw bonesaw, bonesaw bonesaw, that doesn't sound like the kind of support you seem to want from everyone else.

Right i'm going back to being positive and enjoying music cause all this acting like a miserable fucker stuff doesn't work for me.

Sorry to have been so wordy but I've enough of getting slagged for doing nothing except play what I play.

I'd like to say thanks to everyone who's left messages of support or something constructive. I really appreciate it.

Choose your fate 21st. Moorings fuck aye.

So.. let me get this straight. You think it was US chanting our own name at YOU, huh?? Mistake No1. The person who was chanting it, is the very same person who pushed Jay and smashed that pierced guys (Jay's mate) nose.... would you guys know that cause you hung around till the end? Probably not.

How about you stop playing twice a fucking week, every week, in Aberdeen? I for one, might even start taking your music a little more seriously? Not to say i dinna like you AT ALL. I think the drumming is solid and songs catchy. The other side of the coin says... Solo's too long and wanky and singer needs another 15years of smoking fags n drinking whisky to pull it off properly.

And on the point about us supporting each other etc etc.. When you turn up to a gig we put on.. maybe you can use that as an argument? Till then... just keep wearing those AWESOME jackets.

Bazz Thee Khunt

[DigitalxVoodoo]

Well there was a bit of a situation outside that needed delt with

and besides i like Ablach and the singer from bonesaw is a really nice guy very suportive, but Chose your fate, 13 knives, bloodnut, thrashist and many others to mention are always really suportive and helped so much thanks to all

[The Subtle Arts]

Neither Ablach or Bonesaws logos are unreadable neither are their riffs incomprehensible; thats just my input to what Matt said.

And Baz you can't start slagging people off for what they wear now, we've had haircuts so far and animosity because we're from different parts of the same fucking island. This thread is ridiculous.

I hope we have all learnt something from it. I know I have. Gotta try some Tressm in my beard now!

[Bonesaw Bazz]

And Baz you can't start slagging people off for what they wear now

looks like i just did.. but i know they are just ticking all the "BLS" boxes.. i get it.

The animosity was towards the "Everyone should move to London" pish ye was spouting. Not towards your Englishness. Well, as far as i'm concerned anyway.

[mattdownfall]

So.. let me get this straight. You think it was US chanting our own name at YOU, huh?? Mistake No1. The person who was chanting it, is the very same person who pushed Jay and smashed that pierced guys (Jay's mate) nose.... would you guys know that cause you hung around till the end? Probably not.

How about you stop playing twice a fucking week, every week, in Aberdeen? I for one, might even start taking your music a little more seriously? Not to say i dinna like you AT ALL. I think the drumming is solid and songs catchy. The other side of the coin says... Solo's too long and wanky and singer needs another 15years of smoking fags n drinking whisky to pull it off properly.

And on the point about us supporting each other etc etc.. When you turn up to a gig we put on.. maybe you can use that as an argument? Till then... just keep wearing those AWESOME jackets.

Bazz Thee Khunt

Nah man I didn't think it was you guys shouting it, but I assumed it was one of your mates or something. Fair do's if it wasn't, I got it wrong. It does make you feel like crap though if you get that the whole way through your set, and I know I should be better at handling it but still.

I appreciate what you said man and for the record I think your bands shows are always tight as fuck and full of power, it's always good to see..

Also we were at that gig until the end and beyond. We just say yes to as many gigs that we're offered as we can. Just building up our live experience, trying out different ideas and essentially practicing so that when we do hit the road we can do it with a bit of confidence.

As for the jackets man I just bought a couple of back patches for the jacket I'd already owned for ages so calm down.

[kem10]

Bazz Thee Khunt

Pretty much sums you up from the looks of it.

[Craig ybgiR]

who wants ice cream?

[mattdownfall]

who wants ice cream?

Hell yes

[The Subtle Arts]

looks like i just did.. but i know they are just ticking all the "BLS" boxes.. i get it.

The animosity was towards the "Everyone should move to London" pish ye was spouting. Not towards your Englishness. Well, as far as i'm concerned anyway.

The piss you gave a nod at, it happens, bands do it and have done for decades. I didn't mean 'everyone' like your mum and her dog. It's a place strife with promoters, scouts. And as I have learnt over the years and missed being signed 3 times is that people can not be arsed coming up to scotland - I'm lookign at you Gut Records you funts!

[Bonesaw Bazz]

Pretty much sums you up from the looks of it.

Ooooh, that cut deep. What did i do? Fuck yer dog till it died? Oh, that's right.. i voiced my opinion... tut, tut.

[Bonesaw Bazz]

Nah man I didn't think it was you guys shouting it, but I assumed it was one of your mates or something. Fair do's if it wasn't, I got it wrong. It does make you feel like crap though if you get that the whole way through your set, and I know I should be better at handling it but still.

I appreciate what you said man and for the record I think your bands shows are always tight as fuck and full of power, it's always good to see..

Also we were at that gig until the end and beyond. We just say yes to as many gigs that we're offered as we can. Just building up our live experience, trying out different ideas and essentially practicing so that when we do hit the road we can do it with a bit of confidence.

As for the jackets man I just bought a couple of back patches for the jacket I'd already owned for ages so calm down.

HAHA i love this site. Okay.. if you guys can't take banter and heckling.. it's gonna be a tough road. That dude who was shouting Bonesaw IS a friend of ours. Who was truly on a mission (and clearly successful by time you played) to get wasted. I think shouting "Bonesaw" at you... was hardly the worst thing (for such wee frail boys!! HAHA) to have to deal with.

If you want people to come to your shows.. promote well, and play QUALITY shows. Not vast QUANTITIES of them.

Just because i ain't on here sucking your cocks, saying your band is UBER AWESOME!!! doesn't mean i think you are all losers and should give up. I just like wording things a certain way on here. It gets reactions!! even when your giving advice. haha

As i said.. keep wearing those awesome jackets!

Khunt

[Guest Bob]

Fuck me.

Wake me up when this thread ends.

[Craig ybgiR]

Fuck me.

Wake me up when this thread ends.

set an alarm for early next year...

[Teabags]

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[calum]

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Fuck you and yer funcy haircut.

[The Milner]

"uncalm, we're all about hair cuts and skinny jeans"

[Hog]

Same problem with Element 106.

We have IMHO got our shit together and are writing our best stuff and a lot of people have told us that we sound way better than Neon days (thank god). I reckon our song "Killjoy" on our Myspace is damn fine however, nobody really gives a shit.

Pretty much the reason why we are not playing Aberdeen again this year and working with a promoter who can hear the potential in our music.

I know were not heavy/fast enough to get musical respect from the folk who like stuff like Uncalm, Bonesaw (who are very good bands) etc and also our past efforts are shite so really it's out of Aberdeen or split-up for us.

Ach well...

Hog

[The Subtle Arts]

Same problem with Element 106.

We have IMHO got our shit together and are writing our best stuff and a lot of people have told us that we sound way better than Neon days (thank god). I reckon our song "Killjoy" on our Myspace is damn fine however, nobody really gives a shit.

Pretty much the reason why we are not playing Aberdeen again this year and working with a promoter who can hear the potential in our music.

I know were not heavy/fast enough to get musical respect from the folk who like stuff like Uncalm, Bonesaw (who are very good bands) etc and also our past efforts are shite so really it's out of Aberdeen or split-up for us.

Ach well...

Hog

Wayhey! It's great to play in your local city but when the prospect of playing constantly and not much else where to further yourselves as musicians and be heard is not great, such is Aberdeen, then what do you do?!?

Well done Hog, you just revived what hope I had for this place by recognising you need to move on. If nothing is stopping you and your determined then why not take that leap to the next level. Go to the promoters!

[Dan G]

Same problem with Element 106.

We have IMHO got our shit together and are writing our best stuff and a lot of people have told us that we sound way better than Neon days (thank god). I reckon our song "Killjoy" on our Myspace is damn fine however, nobody really gives a shit.

Pretty much the reason why we are not playing Aberdeen again this year and working with a promoter who can hear the potential in our music.

I know were not heavy/fast enough to get musical respect from the folk who like stuff like Uncalm, Bonesaw (who are very good bands) etc and also our past efforts are shite so really it's out of Aberdeen or split-up for us.

Ach well...

Hog

Hog, trust me on this:

If you can't build up a fanbase or succeed in Aberdeen then you are fucked. Building up a fanbase in other cities is FAR harder.

Different cities don't actually have very different attitudes. The difference is that bigger/"better" cities get heaps of great bands so you'll seem worse/insignificant by comparison. If anything, you are lucky in Aberdeen because it is pretty big population-wise, but with the benefit of being well away from other cities - which highlights how little we get spoiled with lots of good bands compared to Glasgow/manchester/london.

Bonesaw and Uncalm aren't really that heavy or fast either. Both are good bands, but neither are exactly super extreme. Furthermore, the more extreme a band is, the LESS appeal they will have to the general music-loving population. So extremity isn't an issue. Also, both bands' fanbase (assuming they have one!), didn't appear from nowhere. They would have earned them either through hard work or simply by being objectively good - possibly both.

This post is in no way me trying to give a negative reflection of element 106. Not at all.

My point is that your band not having gigs full of people to see you is absolutely NOTHING to do with the people in Aberdeen or Aberdeen itself.

[The Milner]

Hog, trust me on this:

If you can't build up a fanbase or succeed in Aberdeen then you are fucked. Building up a fanbase in other cities is FAR harder.

Different cities don't actually have very different attitudes. The difference is that bigger/"better" cities get heaps of great bands so you'll seem worse/insignificant by comparison. If anything, you are lucky in Aberdeen because it is pretty big population-wise, but with the benefit of being well away from other cities - which highlights how little we get spoiled with lots of good bands compared to Glasgow/manchester/london.

Bonesaw and Uncalm aren't really that heavy or fast either. Both are good bands, but neither are exactly super extreme. Furthermore, the more extreme a band is, the LESS appeal they will have to the general music-loving population. So extremity isn't an issue. Also, both bands' fanbase (assuming they have one!), didn't appear from nowhere. They would have earned them either through hard work or simply by being objectively good - possibly both.

This post is in no way me trying to give a negative reflection of element 106. Not at all.

My point is that your band not having gigs full of people to see you is absolutely NOTHING to do with the people in Aberdeen or Aberdeen itself.

At least you know what your talking about (hog this is no dig at you in anyway btw).

There is no need to move to get your band noticed or enjoyed, just work a little harder at it, promote better and practise more, then get some gigs outwith your own backyard when you are ready. This bad mouthing of aberdeen is boring and predictable, blame everything else except yourself seems to be the main way of doing things for bands who cant get that next step up.

Aberdeen is great for being in a band, good venues, promoters who will happily give you gigs without you bringing your rentacrowd and a public who if guided right will happily turn out in good numbers for gigs, go to glasgow and its almost the opposite, go to london and its worse.