Edgar Graham Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 All the staff in my workshop were taken in to a meeting today and told that the music licence folk had been pestering us since October enquiring about our set up. As a result of their enquiries all radios/ipod speakers/cd players have had to be removed from the workshop. Apparently it is regarded as a public place and we do not have a licence to play music.If you buy a licence it only counts for one radio and I assume they are pretty expensive seeing as it's The Wood Group I work for and my workshop alone is turning over millions of pounds a year so if they were reasonably enough priced they'd get bought. Maybe they're just being tight cunts.Just found the website now, going to look into a bit more but I thought the whole thing was pretty stupid/annoying.Welcome to PRS for Music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_matter Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I'm sure a blanket license can be bought for the whole of the wood group company so that music can be played in the work place. We get taught about this all the time at college...maybe shoulda paid a bit more attention to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 While I can see why it'd be annoying for a two man business operating out of someone's garage (or something along those lines), it seems completely fair for a business like Topshop / Topman, who'd be trying to get customers in the door through playing 'trendy' music, among other things. The Wood group will be able to afford the costs, no question about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_matter Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 There should be set fees for businesses of certain sizes. I dunno if its been thought of already but a business of say 5 employees shouldn't need a license however a national sized business should have to pay a set yearly fee for all there shops etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Yeah, the Wood group is worth 3bn and has only recently dropped out of the FTSE 100, they're just being tight fisted cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Does this mean that minkers that play their music through phones have to have a PRS license?Genuinely one of the funniest things I've read on this website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Isn't the whole PRS licence thing one of the biggest scams around?Something is very wrong about the idea of a private organisation being able to demand money in this way. There's an interesting thread about them at FSB Discussion Forums: Performing Rights Society.What kind of percentage of money collected is actually going to the people they claim to represent, I wonder?I found this as well - PRS boardSay no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Isn't the whole PRS licence thing one of the biggest scams around?QUOTE]Elaborate, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 What about the trollops that play Bassline, or that weird chipmunk shit dead loud on the bus through their tinbox phone speakers... Are they going to get proverbially shat on by the powers that be?Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkster Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 MCPS already gather money from radio stations for playing songs so I don't see why PRS have to get involved by demanding more money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 MCPS already gather money from radio stations for playing songs so I don't see why PRS have to get involved by demanding more money!PRS collect that money and MCPS collect money for the copying and producing of recordings hence the Mechanical Copyright thing.Cloud, PRS is a not for profit org and the money is filtered down through and to all members. There used to be a time when the big royalty earners received a disproportionate share but this has changed in the last several years.PRS have recently made it easier to join and also easier to get your due royalties if your a member through easy online registration of gigs in non performance registered venues such as Cafe Drummond and the Tunnels.I do hope you never get into music management.o_O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 What about the trollops that play Bassline, or that weird chipmunk shit dead loud on the bus through their tinbox phone speakers... Are they going to get proverbially shat on by the powers that be?Fingers crossed!That's not music though. That's audio graffiti and they should get charged by the bobbies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 MCPS already gather money from radio stations for playing songs so I don't see why PRS have to get involved by demanding more money!It's PRS that collects that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 It's PRS that collects that money.You tell em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 You tell em Sorry, left the reply box open for a bit, hadn't realised you'd posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Sorry, left the reply box open for a bit, hadn't realised you'd posted!More the merrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me and Parvati Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 So, the radio station pays to play the track, we then pay again to listen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 So, the radio station pays to play the track, we then pay again to listen?No 'we,' (meaning everyone), but in theory, businesses who may be using the music in order to bring customers in, energise the workforce, etc. Just think of it as an expense in the sense that communal coffee/tea is. The costs for these are adjusted depending on type of business/how often music is played/number of employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me and Parvati Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 'Energise the workforce'. That's a good one. How much of the money they collect do they spend on hiring humourless balloons to call up businesses to tell them they have to pay the PRS money? 'We don't have any radios''What about the workshop?''We don't have any radios''None in the office?''We don't have any radios''Nobody listens to music on their computer''NO, IT'S CALLED WORKING''You're sure?''Yes, hang on, what if someone is whistling, would we have to pay then?''Well, if it was a recognisable tune.....'(Give me strength.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Pretty weird that people who appear to play in bands seem to be against the idea of PRS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 'Energise the workforce'. That's a good one. How much of the money they collect do they spend on hiring humourless balloons to call up businesses to tell them they have to pay the PRS money? 'We don't have any radios''What about the workshop?''We don't have any radios''None in the office?''We don't have any radios''Nobody listens to music on their computer''NO, IT'S CALLED WORKING''You're sure?''Yes, hang on, what if someone is whistling, would we have to pay then?''Well, if it was a recognisable tune.....'(Give me strength.)Or, a band or artist write songs (product) and the PRS collect royalties on their behalf for any public plays of said songs (product) belonging to the artist.They are maybe tightening up in order to provide the PRS members with the money that is owed to them.Im not sure of their definition of a public space and its will be a tricky argument either way. I had my run ins with them at Drakes but in hindsight it was all fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Pretty weird that people who appear to play in bands seem to be against the idea of PRS!Tiz odd indeed.Royalties from even a small amount of success through gigging and the odd airplay can mount up in no time. And the PRS now allow you to join for 10 with the rest of their fee found from your initial royalties paymentsThere are one or two folk in Aberdeen that could be earning a nice little additional income if only they were members of said org! Where does this income come from? Hmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Tiz odd indeed.Royalties from even a small amount of success through gigging and the odd airplay can mount up in no time. And the PRS now allow you to join for 10 with the rest of their fee found from your initial royalties paymentsThere are one or two folk in Aberdeen that could be earning a nice little additional income if only they were members of said org! Where does this income come from? HmmmmmmmExactly, at 10 you just need played on national radio once (Vic Galloway for example) to be in profit... You'd be surprised at the payments you get for doing things like radio sessions , too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossP Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Exactly, at 10 you just need played on national radio once (Vic Galloway for example) to be in profit... You'd be surprised at the payments you get for doing things like radio sessions , too.Quoted for truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Exactly, at 10 you just need played on national radio once (Vic Galloway for example) to be in profit... You'd be surprised at the payments you get for doing things like radio sessions , too.1 minute of daytime airplay on a national radio station earns around 18.501 min of tv play is around 24Do the math. The View will be doing not too bad even after all the deductions for advances, label cut, managerial percentage etc etc.Playing the one gig at the Lemon tree can earn 30ish. Add that to the fee for the gig... ching(ish)Have to pay the tax man through:swearing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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