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If you're moronic enough to have ever taken the stuff in the first place then you're probably moronic enough to keep taking it despite the flesh eating virus (and numerous other huge dangers).

My heart aches it really does.

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yip sad state of affairs when people are injecting themselves with flesheating viruses...all they need to do is visit ARI for some form of mrsa/c-diff

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I honestly couldn't believe what I just read.

Many many many-if not the majority-of heroin addicts are born into poverty, or a broken home, or even an abusive household, with no cetifiable role models. The only kind of prolonged "good feelings" they're remotely exposed to are via drugs, and heroin being an addictive substance, they get addicted.

People can be a waste of space. Just wasters. But I think it's also worthwhile to remember many of these addicts aren't bad people but have just had a fucking shite life. (I'm drawing from my own personal experiences here)

"Yeah, you're less lucky than me. You deserve to have a flesh eating virus"

Christ.

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Folk can be born into broken homes and still turn out to be genuinely nice people. It's all about choice. Unless of course their mothers were injecting whilst pregnant.

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Folk can be born into broken homes and still turn out to be genuinely nice people. It's all about choice. Unless of course their mothers were injecting whilst pregnant.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying it can easily go either way depending on a few choices you make at a very young age.

Some people are so desperately unhappy they'll do anything to block it out.

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Agree with Nefarious here. It's a bit glib to say "No-one cares if they get a horrible disease and die". Hopefully nobody really means that.

There are many many reasons why people become addicted, doesn't necessarily mean they're worthless scum who they deserve everything they get. There are far worse people out there than junkies.

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A lot of these 'junkies' are genuinely nice people who have made the wrong decisions in life. They need help getting clean but the most helpful person to them is themselves. You have to want to quit to be able to quit 100%

And when your seeing unicorns or whatever it is people on heroin see, you don't care whats on the needle just whats in it.

Learned that from a former 'junkie'

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Ha ha i love you guys, i can never tell if you really are mostly rightwing maniacs or just dry comedy genius's.

I hope the latter but fear the former.

btw

Muscle popping and skin popping?!?

Could they make that sound any less appetising?

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Have to say, this is a pretty sick thread. Of course everyone's entitled to their opinions, but c'mon!!!

At the end of the day, these people are somebody's child, and yes, they have probably wreaked havoc amongst those around them for the chaotic life choices that they have made. But to show a complete disregard to it is pretty dark.

I've seen at close hand the complete destruction and devastation that heroin can cause. It would be very interesting for you to meet a couple I know that have lost both their kids to drugs.

It would be very interesting for you to chat to a couple, from a good area, who's lives have been torn apart, and wake up every day knowing that they'll never see their kids again.

Think again.......

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If you're moronic enough to have ever taken the stuff in the first place then you're probably moronic enough to keep taking it despite the flesh eating virus (and numerous other huge dangers).

My heart aches it really does.

Yes, like the girl with the neglectful, alcoholic mother who was sexually abused by her father, thrown out onto the streets at 15, preyed on by a pimp who shaped her into a heroin addicted hooker because she had nobody else to turn to. What a fucking moron. Hope she dies.

Jesus Christ.

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Okay, my comments have perhaps been taken slightly in the wrong light (which is pretty fair, considering the way I wrote it).

My feelings on the subject are a little bit less straight forward that I maybe initially implied. My general feelings towards drugs where you *know* before you even touch them that they will have you completely hooked, they take over your life and most probably destroy any relationships you have with anyone who also isn't using is that you should never touch them.

I understand there are extreme examples (see above) and it's in these cases where I think society has failed these individuals. If their family is abusing them they shouldn't be left to live out that hell on their own. I'm being fairly general here but the social support system in our country - especially considering how huge the problem is - is fairly shit. My feelings concerning these individuals (who are the minority) are a bit different.

The other side of the coin is where people fall into it through peer pressure (usually through living in poverty, perhaps in an area where there is an overwhelming drug problem). As far as I'm concerned they still have a choice - and this is more or less where my comments were aimed. The choice may be fucking difficult, but it's still there. At the end of the day, there are people out there who simply choose to use. I've seen it myself kids from decent areas with loving families who throw their lives away to shit. My sympathy in those cases is reserved for their families.

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Okay, my comments have perhaps been taken slightly in the wrong light (which is pretty fair, considering the way I wrote it).

My feelings on the subject are a little bit less straight forward that I maybe initially implied. My general feelings towards drugs where you *know* before you even touch them that they will have you completely hooked, they take over your life and most probably destroy any relationships you have with anyone who also isn't using is that you should never touch them.

I understand there are extreme examples (see above) and it's in these cases where I think society has failed these individuals. If their family is abusing them they shouldn't be left to live out that hell on their own. I'm being fairly general here but the social support system in our country - especially considering how huge the problem is - is fairly shit. My feelings concerning these individuals (who are the minority) are a bit different.

The other side of the coin is where people fall into it through peer pressure (usually through living in poverty, perhaps in an area where there is an overwhelming drug problem). As far as I'm concerned they still have a choice - and this is more or less where my comments were aimed. The choice may be fucking difficult, but it's still there. At the end of the day, there are people out there who simply choose to use. I've seen it myself kids from decent areas with loving families who throw their lives away to shit. My sympathy in those cases is reserved for their families.

How do you differentiate as to the ones you think shouldn't be left to "live out that hell on their own" to the ones you think deserve to die of a flesh eating disease? Is it purely down to their social background? Would you only help people after they prove how horrendous their lives have been?

Certainly people "choose to use" in some instances but it hardly means they deserve to die horribly.

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Here's a list from wikipedia of people some of think deserve (or deserved) to die from flesh eating bacteria. If you own records, books or films by them then maybe you should just throw them in the bucket right now -

Beat Generation author William S. Burroughs wrote about his experiences with heroin in numerous books, starting with the 1953 semi-autobiographical Junkie (aka Junky).

The Basketball Diaries is a 1978 book written by American author and musician Jim Carroll. It is an edited collection of the diaries he kept between the ages of twelve and sixteen. Set in New York City, they detail his daily life, sexual experiences, high school basketball career, Cold War paranoia, the counterculture movement, and, especially, his addiction to heroin, which began when he was 13. The book was made into a film under the same name in 1995 starring Leonardo DiCaprio.

Irvine Welsh's 1993 novel Trainspotting which was later made into a feature film under the same name explores the turbulent lives of an eccentric group of heroin users.

A 2007 book entitled The Heroin Diaries by author and musician Nikki Sixx from Mtley Cre and Sixx:A.M. chronicles his heroin addiction in his diary between the years 1986-1987, as well as his chronic extreme hedonism, attitudes, drug use and his inevitable route to dying and coming back to life.

Kurt Cobain of Nirvana was heavily addicted to heroin. His autopsy showed that he had 3 times the lethal dosage of heroin and other substances before he died.

Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine is known for his past heroin drug abuse. He usually used speedballs, a mix between heroin and cocaine. He stopped the use of heroin after a talk he had with Alice Cooper while on tour. Afterward he went to rehabilitation 14 times.

Alice in Chains frontman Layne Staley was also a well published heroin addict, right up to his death by overdose in April 2002. He wrote countless songs about his drug addiction including "God Smack", "Junkhead", and "Hate to Feel". These songs showed the bleak and helpless atmosphere of a drug addiction. He was also addicted to cocaine and used LSD and marijuana.

The well-known jazz artist Miles Davis was a heroin addict from about 1950 to 1954.

John Lennon wrote the song "Cold Turkey" in 1969 about his and Yoko Ono's attempts to get off the drug.

Another 1969 song, David Bowie's first single "Space Oddity," was seemingly about his experiences with heroin, as his 1980 single "Ashes to Ashes" included the lines that refer to Major Tom as "... a junkie/strung out on heaven's high/hitting an all-time low."[49]

The Rolling Stones' 1973 song "Coming Down Again" was written by Keith Richards about his experiences with heroin, as was "Before They Make Me Run." Mick Jagger wrote the song "Monkey Man," and with Marianne Faithfull wrote "Sister Morphine". The band's 1971 album Sticky Fingers featured a drug reference in every track.

A number of songs by the Velvet Underground refer to heroin, including "I'm Waiting For The Man" and the aptly-named "Heroin". Some critics declared the band were glorifying the use of drugs-mainly heroin.

The Stranglers' single "Golden Brown", from the late 1970s, referred to a batch of brown heroin from Afghanistan that arrived in the UK around that time. Another UK band, The Only Ones released a one hit wonder, "Another Girl, Another Planet", in which every single line could be interpreted as a reference to a girl or heroin."[49]

Dee Dee Ramone (Nee Douglas Colvin) of the US punk band The Ramones used the drug and wrote the song "Chinese Rocks", though the rest of the band initially rejected the song as being too blatantly about drug use. The Heartbreakers performed the first and more famous version of the song.

The songs "Mr. Brownstone" and "Bad Obsession" by Guns N' Roses also deal with heroin.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers have numerous drug references in their music, most famously "Under the Bridge", a song about Anthony Kiedis's experiences in the chicano-run areas of Los Angeles where he used to score. "Knock Me Down" was another Red Hot Chili Peppers song about heroin, this time about the band's first guitarist Hillel Slovak who died after overdosing on a mix of cocaine and heroin.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers have numerous drug references in their music, most famously "Under the Bridge", a song about Anthony Kiedis's experiences in the chicano-run areas of Los Angeles where he used to score. "Knock Me Down" was another Red Hot Chili Peppers song about heroin, this time about the band's first guitarist Hillel Slovak who died after overdosing on a mix of cocaine and heroin.

Ville Valo, frontman of Finnish rock band HIM, wrote "Killing Loneliness" about Brandon Novak's addiction to heroin. In an interview Valo stated that when he asked Novak why he used the drug, Novak replied "It was my way of 'Killing Loneliness'"

Suede recorded many songs about heroin, and drug culture in general. They have two different songs, Heroine (from Dog Man Star) and Heroin (b-side to the Attitude single), which refer to lead singer Brett Anderson's addiction to the drug.

Many songs by singer song writer Elliott Smith such as "A Fond Farewell", and "King's Crossing" refer to his addiction with heroin.

Industrial metal band Ministry's track Just One Fix deals with Al Jourgensen's heroin use.

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I'm sure that nobody wishes a flesh eating disease to kill a person.

Playing devils advocate. I don't think it's a simple as a) Peer-pressure b) Abuse

c) Mental illness

d) A predetermined addictive nature.

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How do you differentiate as to the ones you think shouldn't be left to "live out that hell on their own" to the ones you think deserve to die of a flesh eating disease? Is it purely down to their social background? Would you only help people after they prove how horrendous their lives have been?

Certainly people "choose to use" in some instances but it hardly means they deserve to die horribly.

There basically isn't any way to differentiate. Which is why the people who need help are so difficult to identify. You can only look at the history of any *reported* instances of abuse... which obviously still bares no resemblance to reality in many cases.

I suppose my argument was simply on a moral level. Those who have done it to themselves and those who feel they have no choice.

Despite perhaps the bad way I phrased my initial post... the bottom line is that if someone is addicted, I doubt they'll care if there is a chance of them getting the virus... their main concern will be if they can get the drug or not.

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I'm sure that nobody wishes a flesh eating disease to kill a person.

Playing devils advocate. I don't think it's a simple as a) Peer-pressure b) Abuse

c) Mental illness

d) A predetermined addictive nature.

I agree completely. I was just using examples of extremities for the sake of argument (as that's what people were throwing at me) and also so I didn't end up writing an essay.

I'm not so sure about d) though. It could help to fuel the problem but surely it could be channelled elsewhere (though this is assuming the person is aware of the fact they have an addictive personality and would probably need some assistance).

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There basically isn't any way to differentiate. Which is why the people who need help are so difficult to identify.

I'd say that anyone with an addiction like this requires help. Whether they accept this help is the hard part.

I suppose my argument was simply on a moral level. Those who have done it to themselves and those who feel they have no choice.

People may choose to take heroin but no one chooses to be an addict.

Do you drink? I'm sure you don't expect to become an alcoholic or have cirrosis of the liver. Might happen though.

Do you drive above the speed limit? I'm sure you don't expect to get caught doing this & fined or to cause an accident. Might happen though.

Despite perhaps the bad way I phrased my initial post... the bottom line is that if someone is addicted, I doubt they'll care if there is a chance of them getting the virus... their main concern will be if they can get the drug or not.

Precisely. That's addiction for you.

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People may choose to take heroin but no one chooses to be an addict.

Do you drink? I'm sure you don't expect to become an alcoholic or have cirrosis of the liver. Might happen though.

Do you drive above the speed limit? I'm sure you don't expect to get caught doing this & fined or to cause an accident. Might happen though.

I do drink. However, I drink in moderation and am fully aware of the fact it's not the same as many class A drugs (it's not illegal for a start). I would never touch anything like heroin etc because I am fully aware that as soon as you take it your judgement on how well you can control your intake can completely go to shit. It's not a risk I'd be willing to take under any circumstances whatsoever. I think this is where a huge problem is... people take the drug whilst thinking that they can control it. In truth, it's almost impossible. The drug controls you and you become a different person.

My own drinking is very much controlled and if I feel I've had too much to drink one week then I have no issue with staying on the diet cokes for a night. I have also quite happily gone months without drinking and should I ever have children I won't bat an eyelid at the idea of saying goodbye to booze for 9 months. I enjoy having a drink but I don't ever "need" to have one.

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