Alkaline Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Oh right, I didn't realise when you said "back up your point of view" you meant "offer a capitulation which justifies your (alkalines) point of view." So in that case, no, certainly not, I stand by everything I've said in this thread.I haven't given a point of view on the film at all. We aren't justifying anything i've said. I'm just interested in your opinion. I'm not saying you're wrong and i'm right here, i just want to get a bit of an insight. But hey, if you aren't playing ball it's no skin off my nose. It just makes your point look flimsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Seen it twice now and enjoyed more the second time. Clearly I'm double the fuckwit for going to see the movie to be entertained! Oh, and my son was way more on the ball than I gave him credit for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 hahah, I've just watched the film and frankly I was not surprised atall. It is a violent (I would not take a 12 year old kid to watch this and anyone who does ought to be ashamed of themselves as parents) My son is 11 and I will be the judge of what I think he can watch and understand as pure fantasy and mere entertainment. An understanding he clearly has in spades more than you!I am in no way ashamed and will not have a pretentious nonce like you tell me otherwise.No reply needed! I was driven to this response as the jumped up Daily Mail nature of his posts lately are tiresome and intellectually beneath anything we should rise to.When is he moving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 My son is 11 and I will be the judge of what I think he can watch and understand as pure fantasy and mere entertainment. An understanding he clearly has in spades more than you!I am in no way ashamed and will not have a pretentious nonce like you tell me otherwise.No reply needed! I was driven to this response as the jumped up Daily Mail nature of his posts lately are tiresome and intellectually beneath anything we should rise to.When is he moving?Yeah well if you think it's a good idea to let your 11 year old kid watch a film that glorifies violence, executions, crime and retribution as a form of entertainment, fair enough. Then again you yourself own a fucking playstation 3 innit, so god knows what kind of socially reprehensible values your kid is being indoctrinated with whilst in your care, when his dad spends his off hours playing GTA or some hideously violent FPS game. Spare me the pious "how daer u" bullshit, if you "will be the judge" of what your son can watch and understand then maybe you should think a bit harder about what you expose him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yeah well if you think it's a good idea to let your 11 year old kid watch a film that glorifies violence, executions, crime and retribution as a form of entertainment, fair enough. Then again you yourself own a fucking playstation 3 innit, so god knows what kind of socially reprehensible values your kid is being indoctrinated with whilst in your care, when his dad spends his off hours playing GTA or some hideously violent FPS game. Spare me the pious "how daer u" bullshit, if you "will be the judge" of what your son can watch and understand then maybe you should think a bit harder about what you expose him to.So you know all about me do you? You have an inside knowledge of the video games and consoles on which I allow my son to play games? You know all about the times I say no and also the things on which I deliberate deeply over knowing that his peers are playing or watching, yet I say no, and he respects me for it (eventually)? You have no idea about me ,or I assume, being a parent, judging and gauging a child's intellectual growth and understanding of the world around them, the daily and tricky moral dilemma's of being the parent! Do not make judgements on my, and others parenting, based on your skewed version of society you hypocrite. You have spouted numerous times in this forum about ,presumed, ill judged assumptions we (other than you) can be prone too yet you have succumbed to that which you say you detest. I know for a fact that my son probably would want to stick a fucking pencil in your eye you 'jumped better than everyone else twat'. But that is not the kind of behaviour or language we allow, or condone, in this house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 So you know all about me do you? You have an inside knowledge of the video games and consoles on which I allow my son to play games? You know all about the times I say no and also the things on which I deliberate deeply over knowing that his peers are playing or watching, yet I say no, and he respects me for it (eventually)? You have no idea about me ,or I assume, being a parent, judging and gauging a child's intellectual growth and understanding of the world around them, the daily and tricky moral dilemma's of being the parent! Do not make judgements on my, and others parenting, based on your skewed version of society you hypocrite. You have spouted numerous times in this forum about ,presumed, ill judged assumptions we (other and not you) can be prone too yet you have succumbed to that which you say you detest. I know for a fact that my son probably would want to stick a fucking pencil in your eye you 'jumped better than everyone else twat'. But that is not the kind of behaviour or language we allow, or condone, in this house.As I said, I wouldn't dream of taking a child to see that violent, soul destroying trash - and the decent people I know who have kids of that age themselves wouldn't dream of it either. Maybe you just don't know any better yourself eh? Maybe if you didn't expose your kid to violent computer games and films like batman he wouldn't have the urge to "stick a fucking pencil" in someones eye. I guess that just comes from the wonderful family values you're passing onto him eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 My son is 11 and has a better understanding of irony than you. I will leave it at that!*goes of to search for snuff movie he left in son's DVD player by mistake!* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatHand Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 It is a good movie, very dark and it was great to see a film that took it's time to ripen. Ignoring the backdrop of the Batman setting, it was a good exploration of the mind set of a maniac. I don't understand why anyone would care so much that it isn't an arthouse movie. I also wouldn't use the fact that it is violent as a reason for it not being worth viewing. There are plenty of quality artistic movies that explore the violence of man, I don't see this as any different apart from the budget and special effects. Some people have mentioned that they were disappointed with the introduction of two face at the end but I thought it inhanced the depths of the Joker's insane mentality and influence he had over people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Commander Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Those of us who live in the 21st century however are more used to watching films in 1/4 of the screen while carrying on with other activities, perhaps that goes some way to explaining why you still take cheap entertainment like this so seriously.So now your admitting that you don't actually watch films, but just have them in the background while you do other things? o_OYour petty arguments loose more credibility with every post. Hand over the spade son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 And for the record we have never had a copy of GTA (any) in this house and nor will we and it's xbox all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Mac Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I turned into gutter trash and went to see this last night. What an uneducated, simpering moron I am.Personally I thought it was great. Some of the acting was a bit patchy in places and batmans DEEEEEP voice cracks me up. I thought the set pieces were very well done though and Ledger was awesome. Everyone has been raving about him and I was not convinced by all the praise, until I saw the film. Wonderful performance.Ps, stripey is a fanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonade Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I turned into gutter trash and went to see this last night. What an uneducated, simpering moron I am.Personally I thought it was great. Some of the acting was a bit patchy in places and batmans DEEEEEP voice cracks me up. I thought the set pieces were very well done though and Ledger was awesome. Everyone has been raving about him and I was not convinced by all the praise, until I saw the film. Wonderful performance.Ps, stripey is a fanny.Yeah that gruff voice got on my nerves a bit too. He overdid it a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Commander Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yeah that gruff voice got on my nerves a bit too. He overdid it a bit."Frank Butcher" Batman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Mac Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 "Frank Butcher" BatmanHaha, I couldn't quite place it at the time...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I think it should probably have been rated higher than 12A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 "Frank Butcher" BatmanI hope Frank Butcher Batman threatened to give the Joker a "dry slap." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yeah well if you think it's a good idea to let your 11 year old kid watch a film that glorifies violence, executions, crime and retribution as a form of entertainment, fair enough. Then again you yourself own a fucking playstation 3 innit, so god knows what kind of socially reprehensible values your kid is being indoctrinated with whilst in your care, when his dad spends his off hours playing GTA or some hideously violent FPS game. Spare me the pious "how daer u" bullshit, if you "will be the judge" of what your son can watch and understand then maybe you should think a bit harder about what you expose him to.er, you already said earlier in this thread that you were a regular reader of 2000ad when you were ten. hardly the fucking beano is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovers_spit Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I hope Frank Butcher Batman threatened to give the Joker a "dry slap."Well done.After a 12 hour shift I came home, and read that post, and I laughed out loud.Heartily, I might add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonade Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I predict a plethora of Jokers out this hallowe'en. He may even take over the mantle of "costume most favoured by goths" currently held by the Crow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 More excuses for the girly boys of Aberdeen to wear make-up. Yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 More excuses for the girly boys of Aberdeen to wear make-up. Yay!Joker Busted - July 28, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 I predict a plethora of Jokers out this hallowe'en. Quickly scores out Joker from list of possible costumes.....DamnI'm too fat anyway....hmm maybe Penguin!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodyRATM Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 I went to see this last night. Pretty awesome. minus the length and batmans accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 So now your admitting that you don't actually watch films, but just have them in the background while you do other things? o_OYour petty arguments loose more credibility with every post. Hand over the spade son.What's wrong with watching a film stickied in the top right hand 1/4 of the screen while you're working? How is that any different from listening to music in the background while you work, or while you're walking down the street with your ipod? Try watching a de-interlaced DVD on big TFT monitor, you will quickly realise why watching such things in a window is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 er, you already said earlier in this thread that you were a regular reader of 2000ad when you were ten. hardly the fucking beano is it?2000AD as a comic is a world apart from the way violence is depicted in this film - I hesitate to say "realistically depicted" because in the film, it isn't, it's sanitised violence that reduces murder to a casual inconsequential act. Anyway compared to DC comics timid, patriotic, feelgood vigilante glorifying cheesy boring cliched american rubbish, 2000AD always was a darker and more subversive alternative, almost a polar opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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