moshulu, what a joke

[Bigsby]

I used to wear a beanie hat all the time when I was younger and they had that rule in Priory and Espionage in about 2002/2003. I used to have the same argument with bouncers every weekend, until I learned to stop taking life seriously.

Would have been much better if it had read

I used to wear a beanie hat all the time when I was younger and they had that rule in Priory and Espionage in about 2002/2003. I used to have the same argument with bouncers every weekend, until I learned to stop going to Priory and Espionage.

[Chi 666]

Heres a thought for you

They don't have to allow you into the club, when they do it is compulsory to follow their rules.

Getting into a club is a privilege not a right, if you don't follow the rules they have the right to ask you to leave and you must comply

Do you think all doorstaff agree with all rules of all venues they work in? I tell you that they don't but they have a job to do(you know to make money and pay bills etc...), they are there to make sure the small minority do not ruin the nights out of the majority. Yes you do get complete power mad people doing it but they are the small minority.

A member of doorstaff is going to know and understand the rules better than any member of barstaff, managers generally liaise directly with the door team and will discuss the rules, there is a high probability that when the no hats rule was brought in it was discussed between them with a few people giving reasons for and against.

at the end of the day you were being disrespectful and you were dealt with appropriately

first of all, thank you for expalining what a bouncer dose for a living and why they do it. thats been bugging me for years.

second of all we are argueing about the rule not the fucking bouncers.

and third of all that bouncer was a cunt (like 80% of them) and he never dealt with me properly, he pushed me violently and swore at me. "they have the right to ask you to leave" well how about you ask and dont fucking push! cunt!

[Guest Neutral]

first of all, thank you for expalining what a bouncer dose for a living and why they do it. thats been bugging me for years.

This is obvious from your first post

second of all we are argueing about the rule not the fucking bouncers.

I was attempting to explain the circumstances under which they may be working regarding the 'rule' this should have been obvious

and third of all that bouncer was a cunt (like 80% of them) and he never dealt with me properly, he pushed me violently and swore at me. "they have the right to ask you to leave" well how about you ask and dont fucking push! cunt!

They have the right to use force, the true term is 'the minimum of force which is necessary'. From your original post '"i dont care what she said, i told you no hats, now get out!"' this is perfectly acceptable, not overly rude. If you refused or argued the force would have commenced although it would have been better if they had asked a time or two more, maybe they did, we can only take your word for it. If the doorman swore at you why not mention it in the first post?

Looking at the wording of the posts it doesn't seem that you are that civil, calling someone a prick or a cunt won't generally get you anywhere.... Dude

[WoodyRATM]

I can pretty much agree that there are a bouncer or two in that place who are complete plebs.

By the same token though - there are one or two who are decent enough.

Cant say ive ever been on the recieving end of this hat rule...i wore it fine like 3 or 4 weeks ago and no-one batted an eyelid. Must've been a fairly recent new rule i guess?

Though my mate was barred (unjustly in my opinion) went back this week to say sorry for what he was told he did (while sober) and got told to grovel.... nice.

Jeez even my bro in law (ex head door man) says that the doorstaff are fairly shady now and overly heavy handed... (Not just in mosh but in general)

[Lemonade]

I generally engage in a bit of friendly chitchat with the bouncers in any club as I'm walking in, and again when I'm out having a fag, I never get any bother with them after that. There are some cunts out there who abuse their power but I would say 90% of them are decent guys who understand that they are there for the safety of the punters, not just to bust heads. Except the ones in Exodus obviously, who are in fact cunts.

[Chi 666]

I generally engage in a bit of friendly chitchat with the bouncers in any club as I'm walking in, and again when I'm out having a fag, I never get any bother with them after that. There are some cunts out there who abuse their power but I would say 90% of them are decent guys who understand that they are there for the safety of the punters, not just to bust heads. Except the ones in Exodus obviously, who are in fact cunts.

best post ever:laughing:

[Chi 666]

This is obvious from your first post

I was attempting to explain the circumstances under which they may be working regarding the 'rule' this should have been obvious

They have the right to use force, the true term is 'the minimum of force which is necessary'. From your original post '"i dont care what she said, i told you no hats, now get out!"' this is perfectly acceptable, not overly rude. If you refused or argued the force would have commenced although it would have been better if they had asked a time or two more, maybe they did, we can only take your word for it. If the doorman swore at you why not mention it in the first post?

Looking at the wording of the posts it doesn't seem that you are that civil, calling someone a prick or a cunt won't generally get you anywhere.... Dude

look i never argued with him, i never shouted at him. i was walking towards the door, out the door and down the steps and he was pushing me the whole way, i was walking faster than normal walking speed. he pushed me out the door and swore at me.

i have had arguments with bouncers befor and i dont hate bouncers, the ones at my work are a few of the soundest guys i know, but its not just me that notices that they (the majority) are overly heavy handed, cocky, and rude. now thats a stone wall FACT.

and this guy was the worst bouncer i have ever seen. hes a fucking disgrace to security staff, and thats saying something.

[Guest treader.]

is it just me or was inkster's post on page 5 absolutely ridiculous?

[Captain America]

is it just me or was inkster's post on page 5 absolutely ridiculous?

Yes, it was fucking stupid. So we all just ignored him.

[Jim Stax]

I reckon we should take our shoes off in a carpeted club. Clearly no need for them indoors!

Are hats of varying styles not all the fashion these days?

It surprises me the Moshulu has this rules to be honest given that it it's seen to be an 'alternative music' club and therefore, one would assume, a little more open on dress policy. o_O Pretty much the last place I would have thought to have this rule.

Guess I'll be giving it a miss, yeah coz I went there lots...

[sexytunk]

Now i realise I am lining myself up for a lot of stick here, but aren't we taking things to far over a bloody hat?

Right here's the scoop, I used to until recently work the door at Moshulu, and in many clubs for many years before. We don't make the rules, we try and enforce them, I agree some stewards can be twats, but on the whole we are decent guys doin a crappy job for a living, we are all stereotyped as thugs, when its not the case. There's nothing more annoying than having a drunk pompus twat deliberatly winding you up to prove to others that he thinks your a twat, or even worse trying to prove that he's "hard". I agree sometimes door staff can seem over the top, but it's normally after hours of having to ask the same person not to do something over and over, and from experience i can say that it gets bloody annoying.

As for the hat issue, most clubs don't like them, some managers and door staff will enforce it, some won't. It's simple, if your gonna wear a hat be prepared to be asked to take it off. If you wear it and are askes to take it off, either take it off or leave. At the end of the day the licencing law says that while your in a club you obide by the managers rules, if you don't like the rules go somewhere else. If you go to someone's house you would respect there wishes or be asked to leave, a club is exactly the same. No one has the "right" to anything in someone elses club.

[Bigsby]

Guess I'll be giving it a miss, yeah coz I went there lots...

Fortunately for you Club Tropicana has a much more liberal policy on hats.

[Stichman]

Hats are gay

[Lemonade]

I had an amusing incident with a barmaid at Moshulu a few months ago which tickled me a bit. I'd be interested to find out if I was in the right or in the wrong but I think it was just her being a bitch.

I was at the main bar, on the far right, opposite the doors.

Me - Do you still do those Green Death things?

Barmaid - Yes.

Me - Ok. Can I have 3 of those please?

Barmaid - OK.

(Barmaid then goes off to make the drink. She returns several minutes later with 1 drink)

Barmaid - Thats 3 (or whatever it was)

Me - Sorry, I asked for 3.

Barmaid - No you didn't, you asked for one.

Me - No I didn't, I asked for 3.

Barmaid - You said 1.

Me - Whatever. Can I have another 2 then please.

Barmaid - No, you can't. We've run out of one of the ingredients.

Me - That's a coincidence isn't it. Is there anything you can make it with that is similar?

Barmaid - No, it's the blue curacuo we've run out of, so you can't have 3.

Me - Do they have that in the back bar?

Barmaid - Yes.

Me - OK well I'll just go and get three from the other bar.

Barmaid - Well you have to pay for this one.

Me - No I don't. I asked for three drinks and you've only brought me one. That's not what I wanted.

Barmaid - Yes but I've stil made you this one.

Me - And you lied and tried to tell me I'd only asked for one. If you'd just been honest and said you'd run out of the stuff I wouldn't have minded, but I'm not paying for that one, I'm going to go and get the three drinks I wanted from the other bar.

Barmaid - You have to pay for it!

Me - No I don't!

Barmaid - You have to, or you can get out!

Me - Fine, I'll get out.

I then turned and walked out the front door, making sure she could see me throwing myself out, then I went outside, had a fag and went back in, went through to the back bar and got my three drinks.

I don't think I was in the wrong, but I can almost see her point. She was a miserable faced bitch anyway, if she'd been a bit nicer about it instead of looking like a bulldog licking piss off a thistle I may well have just paid for the one drink.

[Bigsby]

Sorry, but you sound like a twat to me. You should have just paid for the one drink.

She obviously thought you only ordered one.

When I was a barman I ocassionaly had problems with people not being specific enough, for example we had two types of vodka, Smirnoff and Vladivar or something. If people asked for a Vodka and x we were supposed to give them Vladivar (better margins I guess) and only serve Smirnoff if they asked specifically for it.

On ocassion people would say after you'd pored it "I don't want that, I want Smirnoff" to which I would reply "Tough fucking titty", or something similar.

Andy Gray aka Chancer off City Lights got into a similar row with a colleague after he asked for a G&T and she gave him tonic out of the mixer gun. Knob.

[framheim]

Sorry, but you sound like a twat to me. You should have just paid for the one drink.

She obviously thought you only ordered one.

When I was a barman I ocassionaly had problems with people not being specific enough, for example we had two types of vodka, Smirnoff and Vladivar or something. If people asked for a Vodka and x we were supposed to give them Vladivar (better margins I guess) and only serve Smirnoff if they asked specifically for it.

On ocassion people would say after you'd pored it "I don't want that, I want Smirnoff" to which I would reply "Tough fucking titty", or something similar.

Andy Gray aka Chancer off City Lights got into a similar row with a colleague after he asked for a G&T and she gave him tonic out of the mixer gun. Knob.

nah, it sounds more suss to me. did she check the storeroom for more blue curacuo? why not just say the backbar would be able to get him the other two drinks and apologise for the confusion? if the customer said 3 and the barstaff misheard them then they should just apologise and move on, mistakes happen and it doesn't have to be a big deal.

barstaff seem to think that just because some of their customers can be drunken arseholes they get to assume all of them are and treat them as such, no other part of the service industry would tolerate some of the crap service i've seen in bars around aberdeen(not saying moshulu are particularly bad incidentally).

[Guest Tam o' Shantie]

It surprises me the Moshulu has this rules to be honest given that it it's seen to be an 'alternative music' club and therefore, one would assume, a little more open on dress policy. o_O Pretty much the last place I would have thought to have this rule.

vergeBen zie nicht though, that most 'alternative' places actually really do have a policy, that you must be dressed as a metal head to get in. it's like going to a punk gig wearing normal clothes, everyone looks at you with disgust because you don't have a 5 foot mohawk. i've been to places like moshulu and had some snotty little shit snigger "eehh, i think you're in the wrong bar mate" whoops, thanks for the advice chum. this strange and new world of totally outrageous fashion just gets me a little confused. i probably just got into a daze and stumbled into the bar by mistake - a bar which I was drinking in 5 years ago (probably dressed in a 15 suit at the time though). i'll know not to come back unless i have eyeliner on next time.

[Lemonade]

Sorry, but you sound like a twat to me. You should have just paid for the one drink.

She obviously thought you only ordered one.

No she didn't, she went make three, found there was only enough curacuo to make one and then couldn't be arsed going to get more, so she made one and then acted all shocked when I said I had asked for three. It just seems too much of a coincidence that the curacuo happened to run out for the drinks that I 'hadn't' asked for. As Dave said above, she just spoke to me like I was some dribbling drunken retard, when in fact it was relatively early on in the night and I hadn't had that much to drink. She could have diffused the whole situtation by just being a bit nicer about it but she had a surly face on before I had even asked for my drinks, and started arguing with me.

[Jim Stax]

Fortunately for you Club Tropicana has a much more liberal policy on hats.

I tend to stay in more with my model making kits! I'm working on a galleon at the moment, tricky blighter it is too.

[Bigsby]

No she didn't, she went make three, found there was only enough curacuo to make one and then couldn't be arsed going to get more, so she made one and then acted all shocked when I said I had asked for three.

She sounds like an arse then. She could have just said "Sorry, we've run out of Blue Bols and only had enough for one."

[Camie]

To be honest, this thread kind of sums up everything I hate about Moshulu nowadays.

[Metarie]

Now i realise I am lining myself up for a lot of stick here, but aren't we taking things to far over a bloody hat?

Right here's the scoop, I used to until recently work the door at Moshulu, and in many clubs for many years before. We don't make the rules, we try and enforce them, I agree some stewards can be twats, but on the whole we are decent guys doin a crappy job for a living, we are all stereotyped as thugs, when its not the case. There's nothing more annoying than having a drunk pompus twat deliberatly winding you up to prove to others that he thinks your a twat, or even worse trying to prove that he's "hard". I agree sometimes door staff can seem over the top, but it's normally after hours of having to ask the same person not to do something over and over, and from experience i can say that it gets bloody annoying.

As for the hat issue, most clubs don't like them, some managers and door staff will enforce it, some won't. It's simple, if your gonna wear a hat be prepared to be asked to take it off. If you wear it and are askes to take it off, either take it off or leave. At the end of the day the licencing law says that while your in a club you obide by the managers rules, if you don't like the rules go somewhere else. If you go to someone's house you would respect there wishes or be asked to leave, a club is exactly the same. No one has the "right" to anything in someone elses club.

Exactly what I think. And it goes for barstaff too. It's a shitty job no matter where you work and the bottom line is that you have to be sober while serving drunk people, and it's horrible.

The whole thing with the Green Death...why didn't you want to pay for it? If you had to go into the back bar to get the other 2 what difference does it make? You're still paying the same amount. It's deliberately antagonising someone for the sake of it rather than having any actual problem. Maybe she was a bit surly with you, but everyone has off days and I've seen the Moshulu (and Bassment) staff put up with a lot of shit from customers.

Why did your mate complain about getting tonic out the gun Bigsy? I'd be more inclined to complain if I wasn't given the choice between bottled and from the mixer gun. I've been to a few places that have both and always give you bottled unless you ask so they can get an extra 50p out of you. Rather sneaky.

[Mouse]

When it comes to the Obedience School night do gimps have to remove their masks? ?(

[Chi 666]

Exactly what I think. And it goes for barstaff too. It's a shitty job no matter where you work and the bottom line is that you have to be sober while serving drunk people, and it's horrible.

The whole thing with the Green Death...why didn't you want to pay for it? If you had to go into the back bar to get the other 2 what difference does it make? You're still paying the same amount. It's deliberately antagonising someone for the sake of it rather than having any actual problem. Maybe she was a bit surly with you, but everyone has off days and I've seen the Moshulu (and Bassment) staff put up with a lot of shit from customers.

Why did your mate complain about getting tonic out the gun Bigsy? I'd be more inclined to complain if I wasn't given the choice between bottled and from the mixer gun. I've been to a few places that have both and always give you bottled unless you ask so they can get an extra 50p out of you. Rather sneaky.

i work in the casino, i know what drunk people are like, belive me. i would never treat people he way i got treated, and thats after twelve hours of having to deal with drunk people!

so come on, they are not nice people:down:

[Guest Neutral]

i work in the casino, i know what drunk people are like, belive me. i would never treat people he way i got treated, and thats after twelve hours of having to deal with drunk people!

so come on, they are not nice people:down:

Internatinal Casino barstaff are decent people I take it you don't work there. Barstaff take a lot less abuse than doorstaff, barstaff have more protection.

Maybe the doorman was pissed off because he paid money to see you guys play and was refused a refund at some point

or maybe you 'were' just being a cock like most people who get thrown out of pubs and clubs your arguments will always show yourself in a good light conduct wise.