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I watched the Channel 4 news for the first time in a long while tonight. Usually it's the BBC news i watch or News24 (usually because the TV's hijacked at 7 for soaps). I don't know if it's because i'm tired tonight, but Ch4 news seems quite relaxed... they spent a lot of time on each story, coming back to a particular story throughout the hour, and i like the fact that the main newsman can be quite abrupt with the people he's interviewing in order to get answers to questions.

So i'm wondering what news you guys watch/like, if any? And why? Or do you only look at news online? Or in newspapers? Or do you stay away from the news altogether?

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TV: (when i have one)

BBC News 24 (good if you can sit through the nonsense, often i can't)

Al Jazeera (good at covering stories that get overlooked by the bbc because they are too busy reporting about kids who have been shot and the terrors of the violent murderous youth of today.)

web:

Fark (it's not news, its fark.com)

BBC

Slashdot (geek news)

Socialist Worker (usually have sensible stories. eg. while the rest of the british media was throwing a spaz about how terrible young people are etc after that kid got shot the SW front page story was "If young people aren’t valued, why would they value others?")

Newspapers:

Independent

Observer/Guardian

(whichever i spot first/can be bothered picking up)

Journals/Magazines:

Nature (free access through uni!)

NewScientist

some others, but mostly computer science related research things, not so much "news" in the general sense.

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I get my news fix on global politics every morning from Antiwar.com (good for diverse opinion pieces from various sources aswell), along with the usual cursory glance at news.bbc.co.uk, cnn.com and sometimes foxnews.com just to see what the loonies are reporting.

TV news is just tedious, often biased, usually tabloidy and simplistic and served up at a snails pace, it infuriates me.

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I get my news fix on global politics every morning from Antiwar.com (good for diverse opinion pieces from various sources aswell), along with the usual cursory glance at news.bbc.co.uk, cnn.com and sometimes foxnews.com just to see what the loonies are reporting.

TV news is just tedious, often biased, usually tabloidy and simplistic and served up at a snails pace, it infuriates me.

Heh, I can't help but presume Antiwar.com is also somewhat biased...

I usually just check BBC News on the internet (my homepage in fact) to check that the world isn't blowing up or anything.

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I only really bother with C4 news and Newsnight, on the telly. The mainstream half hours devote far too much time to Madeleine McCann and Princess Di(ed. Yes, please get over it.)

As for teh internets, I find Yahoo can be surprisingly good, and the BBC site is an amazing resource. Brian Taylor's blog is always a laugh for Nationalist Vs Unionist comment-offs!

Newspapers?

"Print is dead." - Egon Spengler

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Heh, I can't help but presume Antiwar.com is also somewhat biased...

Well it's primarily just a news aggregator, linking to articles from multiple news agencies so it's not really biased. The opinion pieces (which are usually pretty well researched) can of course be biased, but they are quite non-partisan with contributors from all sorts of political backgrounds.

Anyway, what's wrong with being biased towards peace and a "let's not kill loads of innocent people" position?

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I get my news fix on global politics every morning from Antiwar.com (good for diverse opinion pieces from various sources aswell), along with the usual cursory glance at news.bbc.co.uk, cnn.com and sometimes foxnews.com just to see what the loonies are reporting.

TV news is just tedious, often biased, usually tabloidy and simplistic and served up at a snails pace, it infuriates me.

I don't see a great deal of difference between the lurid splash headlines on Antiwar.com and those in the mainstream...apart from the the fact that the mainstream is entirely devoted to Di/Maddy/Colleen/<abductee/teenage stab victim of the month> and Antiwar's are about...well, war!

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Heh, I can't help but presume Antiwar.com is also somewhat biased...

You may be suprised to read that antiwar.com is actually a right wing anti-war site.

Who we Are - Antiwar.com

It is primarily run by Americans who concider themselves libertarians and like the idea of small government and a policy non-interventionism

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on original point.

I watch Channel 4 news primarily. I admire the way the journalists make the politicians and other people being interviewed acutlaly answer the questions. BBC do not do this so much unless it is Jeremy Paxman or someone who is not on the 'main news'. I have found BBC news has got a bit worse in the last few years. The way they cover a story is usually not as hard hitting as channel 4 news and they have been taking more simplistic viewpoints.

I get The Independent. One reason for this was a few years a go it was fascinating to read the Robert Fisk stories, straight from Iraq and then Lebanon. Unlike other journalists, he actually lived in the place he reported from and was the first hand source. In Iraq, most journalists stayed inside the 'green zone' where possible. Fisk was at the place where the events were happening.

On internet, I will read various sites and none in particular at the moment.

A few years a go, I read The Guardian website quite often and found it quite useful. Don't know what it is like these days.

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I read the BBC news website, mostly for the left wing spin they put on everything. I occasionally read the Guardian website.

As for TV news, it generally annoys me now, seeming to focus on presentation and entertainment rather than focussing on the actual story.

Fox News is good for a laugh though, although watching too long leaves me shouting at the TV like an irate old man.

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Socialist Worker (usually have sensible stories. eg. while the rest of the british media was throwing a spaz about how terrible young people are etc after that kid got shot the SW front page story was "If young people arent valued, why would they value others?")

Good call, been a subscriber for years. 9 gets you the weekly paper, monthly review and quarterly journal, the journal is particularly recommended. The only remotely decent source of news I've ever seen.

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The BBC website is good for garnering basic information, but you have to be careful of the poisonous leftist spin they put on everything.

Priceless. Reminds of me of when Denis Thatcher called the BBC the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation, and the gin-soaked old goat even believed it...

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I just can't wait for the Tories to get in and privatise it. I really begrudge paying my license fee for a service which is so consistently biased in favour of the left, and never, ever gives proper consideration to any other point of view. I've lost count of the amount of times Conservative policy has been reported as "Labour today condemned Conservative plans to...".

I'm surprised Thatcher didn't didn't cast them adrift back in the 80's. Even back then the favourable coverage they gave to scumbags like Scargill was too much to take.

Biased BBC

Complete and utter fabricated right wing bullshit. The BBC provides a fantastic service for a trivial annual fee and is far more balanced than any other broadcaster in this country.

Privatisation would be the death knell to fair and balanced news in this country.

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It should be sold off and run as a business

I firmly believe it shouldn't. Even if you don't use it yourself the BBC provides amazing, essential services to millions of people world wide and is a superb example of what public service broadcasting should be. To run it as a business with advertising, no public service remit and dumbed down, same as every other channel crap would be criminal. We'd lose a unique, extensive and cheap service all to make some already minted fuckwits even richer.

Fuck that.

I use the BBC's awesome web services, I watch it's news channels when nothing else is worth watching, I love BBC 4 and the documentaries no other channel would be able to show and I watch BBC1 and 2 more than any other channels on TV. I don't use their radio services but that's just because I don't listen to the radio often. If I did then BBC radio 6 would probably be on my list.

When I do turn on a radio it's only tuned into Radio Scotland for football commentary and occasional trad binges. Another invaluable regional service paid for by the licence fee.

Then there's the BBC World Service, that essential tool for news worldwide.

All that for 100 odd quid a year compared to what Sky would charge? Frankly I think we get a pretty good deal.

And it IS far more fair and balanced than any other media organisation. Just because it doesn't attack everyone and everything with the tabloid gusto of other news sources doesn't mean it's biased.

How else can you explain somewhere with "poisonous left wing bias" hosting Jeremy Clarkson, The Proms and Dragon's Den? Not to mention giving Andrew Neil a free run on loads of politics programming.

Nick Robinson is a former chairman of the Young Conservatives for god's sake!

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Very well put. If I have any reservations about paying my license fee it's the thought of Jonathon Ross getting so much of it to tell a seemingly infinite amount of crappy stories about having a big cock, or strictly come dancing, or Children in Need, nothing to do with the impartiality of its news reporting.

If anyone's ever had to watch TV in the States, and still thinks our TV broadcasting should all be run purely for profit, then I really cannot fathom the criteria they are making this judgement on.

I firmly believe it shouldn't. Even if you don't use it yourself the BBC provides amazing, essential services to millions of people world wide and is a superb example of what public service broadcasting should be. To run it as a business with advertising, no public service remit and dumbed down, same as every other channel crap would be criminal. We'd lose a unique, extensive and cheap service all to make some already minted fuckwits even richer.

Fuck that.

I use the BBC's awesome web services, I watch it's news channels when nothing else is worth watching, I love BBC 4 and the documentaries no other channel would be able to show and I watch BBC1 and 2 more than any other channels on TV. I don't use their radio services but that's just because I don't listen to the radio often. If I did then BBC radio 6 would probably be on my list.

When I do turn on a radio it's only tuned into Radio Scotland for football commentary and occasional trad binges. Another invaluable regional service paid for by the licence fee.

Then there's the BBC World Service, that essential tool for news worldwide.

All that for 100 odd quid a year compared to what Sky would charge? Frankly I think we get a pretty good deal.

And it IS far more fair and balanced than any other media organisation. Just because it doesn't attack everyone and everything with the tabloid gusto of other news sources doesn't mean it's biased.

How else can you explain somewhere with "poisonous left wing bias" hosting Jeremy Clarkson, The Proms and Dragon's Den? Not to mention giving Andrew Neil a free run on loads of politics programming.

Nick Robinson is a former chairman of the Young Conservatives for god's sake!

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I just can't wait for the Tories to get in and privatise it. I really begrudge paying my license fee for a service which is so consistently biased in favour of the left, and never, ever gives proper consideration to any other point of view. I've lost count of the amount of times Conservative policy has been reported as "Labour today condemned Conservative plans to...".

I'm surprised Thatcher didn't didn't cast them adrift back in the 80's. Even back then the favourable coverage they gave to scumbags like Scargill was too much to take.

Either I'm hallucinating, or you're a brilliant Brass Eye-esque parody of a ranting Tory, or you genuinely believe the half-baked horseshit you're dribbling here. I mean, every time you go off on one about politics, everyone, even the other mods, consistently point out the holes in your thinking. How anyone could think the BBC is even remotely left-wing is beyond me, it's just your typical centrist (i.e middle-to-right) news which you can get spoon-fed anywhere.

Fuck it, I don't know why I'm even bothering to argue. For a relatively young guy to be coming out with some of the stuff I've seen you post is pretty bloody disturbing and I can only hope you're an extremely isolated minority. Even Nick Griffin can put forth his point of view in a less twisted way, and that's saying something.

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Ok, sticking to the debate about the BBC & News then - below you seem to have changed your position quite radically in a short space of time from saying the BBC should be scrapped or privatised. I would maintain that without the BBC in something close to its current model (closer than you suggest below - there is huge room for improvement, but news reporting isn't its most pressing problem IMO), we'd be left with a vapid, advertising dominated, mess like the Americans have (HBO excepted). I think that ITV and Channel 4 would change out of all recognition without the BBC as their main competitor.

news agencies such as Reuters, Associated Press, P.A. aren't too thin on the ground as far as I know, is there really a demand or anything to be gained should the BBC reposition itself as such? Given that you admit below the public service broadcasting has its place and benfits, why turn the most renowned PSB in the world into another news agency?

I've no problem with the concept of public service broadcasting. That's supposed to be the BBC's remit, but they've moved far beyond that and into the realms of entertainment and politicking. If they stuck to providing factual and educational content, I would have no problem with taxpayer's money being used to subsidise it. However, it's become apparent in recent years that the news and current affairs service see themselves less as an impartial body providing the facts for the nation, and more as ideological rivals to broadcasters such as Sky, who are at least open about their affiliations.

The radio stations could quite easily be sold off, especially the pop-based ones such as 1 and 2. Don't forget that ITV, C4 and Five are quite capable of running free-to-air services while operating effectively as businesses. Why can't the BBC do the same?

The news services, which is what I was initially referring to as being biased towards the left, could evolve to become information gatherers in the style of Reuters or Associated Press. There are plenty of sources of news analysis and comment out there, why does the BBC feel the need to get in on the act?

Of course there's people with right-wing affiliations at the Beeb, such as Clarkson, Neil, Nick Robinson and, erm...they're in a tiny minority, though, and have all expressed exasperation in their less guarded moments with the political culture at the Corporation. Neil and Robinson do a good job of being objective and challenge both sides of the argument with equal precision. Unlike, say, John Humphrys, whose retirement cannot come soon enough.

The government has a duty to ensure that the people of this country are kept informed and educated. Entertainment and propoganda should be the preserve of those who are prepared to pay for it.

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Open your eyes, Chris, fair and balanced are not words that come into many people's heads when they think of the BBC. I get the same reaction to watching it as you probably get when watching Fox.

A nationalised media giant is an anachronism in this day and age. It should be sold off and run as a business, and then I would have no problem with the fact that they have a left-wing bias, because I wouldn't have to watch it (which I don't anyway) and I could spend my 131 license tax on something more pleasing.

It sounds like you think that you're only paying for news, relatively impartial is the bbc and a british institution of sorts like tea

If you don't watch it have all your opinions of it come from word of mouth? Are your friends NEDS? LOL

WTF!!!

Sorry Dave is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her.

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