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what are they actually going to do to take care of the local ecology? and er, my folks' house

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what are they actually going to do to take care of the local ecology? and er, my folks' house

It's a golf course, not a toxic waste dump. The local flora and fauna will be fine, and I'm sure your folks will be generously compensated for their inconvenience.

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Another vast waste of land for the pseudo elite!

I'm simply not a fan of golf... Best fun I have had though was as a kid cycling around the Murkar(sp) golf course launching ourselves over the bunkers and greens BMX stylee. This was a long time before BMX was a thing. The cops were called and visited my parents. I think they saw the innocence of our antics - Kids having fun on a giant grassy play park!

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yes dave, and unless it's going to be 19 holes of bunker they are going to have to upset the dune system in some way, and I am not a geographer or a geologist but Scottish National Heritage identifies the dunes at menie as a site of special scientific interest and has written to aberdeenshire council to oppose the plans. my folks will probably just have their house bought out as the official plan is for Trump to build extra accomodation in our garden, but maybe they don't want to move away...

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It's a golf course, not a toxic waste dump. The local flora and fauna will be fine, and I'm sure your folks will be generously compensated for their inconvenience.

trump has already stated that he intends to pay no more than the houses are worth.

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Jonathon Meades on golf

Trump should be told to fuck off and leave our natural landscape alone, remains to be seen wether the gimps in charge of the council here have the wherewithall to do so.

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yes dave, and unless it's going to be 19 holes of bunker they are going to have to upset the dune system in some way, and I am not a geographer or a geologist but Scottish National Heritage identifies the dunes at menie as a site of special scientific interest and has written to aberdeenshire council to oppose the plans. my folks will probably just have their house bought out as the official plan is for Trump to build extra accomodation in our garden, but maybe they don't want to move away...

Special scientific interest? As you point out, it's a big pile of sand! I'm sure there are plenty other similar piles out there. Any wildlife that lives there will be just as happy living on a golf course, or further up the beach.

Sorry about your folks, though. I hope they can get something sorted out.

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Jonathon Meades on golf

Trump should be told to fuck off and leave our natural landscape alone, remains to be seen wether the gimps in charge of the council here have the wherewithall to do so.

Big pile of sand vs. hundreds of jobs and millions of pounds...hmmm, tricky.

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Big pile of sand vs. hundreds of jobs and millions of pounds...hmmm, tricky.

Yeah and while they're at it they can bring over some pig-fucking-hick security guards equipped with tazers too.

I happen to like "big piles of sand", the wildlife associated with it and of course the pleasure of roaming freely through such areas, theres more to life than a few jobs for students at the 19th hole so some fucking yank can line his pockets.

Scotland is all about big piles of sand and other wild landscapes, it is completely misguided to think that a fantasy golf course is anything like appropriate for the area.

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I happen to like "big piles of sand", the wildlife associated with it and of course the pleasure of roaming freely through such areas,

Try Newburgh. It's much nicer than the area Trump wants to develop, and only a little bit further up the coast.

theres more to life than a few jobs for students at the 19th hole

Not counting the architects, construction workers, fitters, designers, chefs, managers, course maintenance personnel etc. of course

so some fucking yank can line his pockets.

I'm not touching that one, but you may want to reconsider your use of racial epithets in future.

Scotland is all about big piles of sand and other wild landscapes, it is completely misguided to think that a fantasy golf course is anything like appropriate for the area.

Yeah, golf courses are completely alien to the east coast of Scotland. It's not as if the game was invented there or anything, is it...?

Scotland needs to make the best use of her resources, and given that golf is a huge industry and an important part of our tourist and heritage industry, we should be welcoming anyone, regardless of where they were born, who wants to invest in the industry and help protect Scotland's long-term economic prospects.

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I'm not touching that one, but you may want to reconsider your use of racial epithets in future.

Yeah, golf courses are completely alien to the east coast of Scotland. It's not as if the game was invented there or anything, is it...?

Are you calling me a racist? Bear in mind that "american" is not a race, and before you ask no, donald trump is not a native american indian.

Carnoustie and St. Andrews already have a great reputation and host big competitions, it is absurd to suggest that there is any kind of need for this development. As far as bringing money into the area, do you really believe that the oil capital of europe needs some poxy golf course to provide extra jobs and money?

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Are you calling me a racist? Bear in mind that "american" is not a race, and before you ask no, donald trump is not a native american indian.

Like I said, I'm not touching that one. It's your conscience. If the investor had come from a different country, say Pakistan, would you have described them in an equally derogatory way?

Carnoustie and St. Andrews already have a great reputation and host big competitions, it is absurd to suggest that there is any kind of need for this development. As far as bringing money into the area, do you really believe that the oil capital of europe needs some poxy golf course to provide extra jobs and money?

Have you any idea how long the waiting list is for membership of those courses? To even play a single game at the top courses in Scotland you have to book ahead months in advance. Trump is simply meeting demand in a growing market.

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Have you any idea how long the waiting list is for membership of those courses? To even play a single game at the top courses in Scotland you have to book ahead months in advance.

No you don't. Half the tee times on the old course are reserved for a daily ballot system. You can put your name down the day before and get a tee time the next day.

St Andrews students also get sweet deals on the links trust courses I believe.

I just checked the Carnoustie site and there's times available for the end of next week on the championship course.

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Like I said, I'm not touching that one. It's your conscience. If the investor had come from a different country, say Pakistan, would you have described them in an equally derogatory way?

Have you any idea how long the waiting list is for membership of those courses? To even play a single game at the top courses in Scotland you have to book ahead months in advance. Trump is simply meeting demand in a growing market.

Yank, being a contraction of "yankee", defined in the AMERICAN dictionary as :

Yankee /ˈyŋki/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[yang-kee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

noun

1. a native or inhabitant of the United States.

2. a native or inhabitant of New England.

3. a native or inhabitant of a northern U.S. state, esp. of one of the northeastern states that sided with the Union in the American Civil War.

4. a federal or northern soldier in the American Civil War.

5. a word used in communications to represent the letter Y.

6. Military. the NATO name for a class of Soviet ballistic missile submarine, nuclear powered, with up to 16 missile launchers.

adjective

7. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a Yankee or Yankees: Yankee ingenuity.

Honestly Dave, if you want to equate "yank" with "paki", as you are trying to insuate, how do you explain the New York Yankee's baseball team?

Trump is not "simply meeting demand", he's just decided he fancies building a golfcourse in area he knows fuck all about purely because he has the money to do it.

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No you don't. Half the tee times on the old course are reserved for a daily ballot system. You can put your name down the day before and get a tee time the next day.

St Andrews students also get sweet deals on the links trust courses I believe.

I just checked the Carnoustie site and there's times available for the end of next week on the championship course.

And the waiting list for membership of those courses is massive, which is my point. And of course there's times available now, it's September. Try getting one in July.

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And the waiting list for membership of those courses is massive, which is my point.

Well no, it was one of your points. The other was "To even play a single game at the top courses in Scotland you have to book ahead months in advance." and you don't. You can get one the next day or in a couple of weeks.

I'm not against golf courses, but the Trump one is going to be too destructive and I don't see a lot of the money being spent outside of the resort.

The Nicklaus course and development at Ury in Stonehaven sounds good though. Far more in tune with the surrounding area and it's going to regenerate a great local building.

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Honestly Dave, if you want to equate "yank" with "paki", as you are trying to insuate, how do you explain the New York Yankee's baseball team?

Why use a term such as "fucking yank" if you weren't trying to make a point about his country of origin and their people?

Pakistanis aren't a race either, and the term "paki" actually means "pure", if I recall correctly. If someone came on here and tried to justify using the term "fucking pakis" by saying they were just pointing out how fucking pure they were, I really don't think I would take them seriously. Would you?

Trump is not "simply meeting demand", he's just decided he fancies building a golfcourse in area he knows fuck all about purely because he has the money to do it.

He's a businessman. If he didn't think there was money in it, and a demand for it, he wouldn't be doing it. Simple.

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Why use a term such as "fucking yank" if you weren't trying to make a point about his country of origin and their people?

He's a businessman. If he didn't think there was money in it, and a demand for it, he wouldn't be doing it. Simple.

Not being a native scot (If I recall correctly) you obviously find it hard to identify with the feelings of people who have actually lived here all their lives and for whom the natural landscape means a bit more than a business opportunity.

Of course he's doing it because he sees a business opportunity though, just like the Blackwater security firm amongst other american companies, see post-war Iraq as a business opportunity.

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