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Scottish Elections 2007 (and predictions!)

How will people be voting?

I'll be voting SNP on all three ballot papers, though I'm undecided about expressing a preference for anyone else in the council election. I might give a second preference to the Lib Dems and a third for the Tories in order to try and keep Labour out in Aberdeen, but I really haven't decided yet.

I'm predicting that Labour will win the most amounts of seats, possibly around 40 with the SNP close behind on 37. That leaves around 21 for the Tories and 20 for the Lib Dems, for a total of 118.

I predict that the SSP will lose all their seats, while Solidarity should retain a regional seat for Tommy Sheridan in Glasgow and possibly one elsewhere. I'm also reckoning that the Greens will see a decrease, possibly to around 4 MSP's, leaving 5 seats for the independents/minority parties.

As for why I'm predicting an SNP loss - well, although the opinion polls are mostly in their favour, I'm convinced that the time isn't right for independence, especially under Labour rule at Westminister. The Sun (crap as it is) is also in Labour's corner, which should make sure that they get enough to limp home.

I'm not sure what form the post-election parliament would be based on my predictions though - a post election Lab/Lib minority coalition may be enough to govern, especially as the SNP and Tories are unlikely to agree on a lot of issues.

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Seeing as i'm in India, I've sorted out a proxy vote. I'll be voting Solidarity on the regional list (the only one we're standing on) and a spoilt ballot for the rest.

I kind of agree on your election analysis - I predict that maybe the SSP will regain one seat, but confident that SSSM will retain their two. For sure it'll be tighter than arsecheeks between Labour and the SNP.

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rather than spoiling your ballot wouldn't you be better voting snp then you'll at least get some policies which are in line with solidarity?

i'll be voting snp for the first time in my life. they just have the policies i'm looking for just now and i think it's important to start debating independence properly.

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rather than spoiling your ballot wouldn't you be better voting snp then you'll at least get some policies which are in line with solidarity?

I'm not in favour of independence, especially not the SNP's botched brand of it. Independant capitalist Scotland with the Queen as Head of State No thanks.

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I'm voting tactically. Lib Dem in my first vote to keep out Tories, and Labour in regional vote because I'm anti-independence, so want to keep SNP out. I was in Edinburgh on Friday and some prat had spraypainted on the side of a building on the Royal Mile (might have been the High Court, can't remember) "Vote independence on May 3rd". Retard.

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I'm voting tactically. Lib Dem in my first vote to keep out Tories, and Labour in regional vote because I'm anti-independence, so want to keep SNP out. I was in Edinburgh on Friday and some prat had spraypainted on the side of a building on the Royal Mile (might have been the High Court, can't remember) "Vote independence on May 3rd". Retard.

That's the kind of idiot that makes the idea of independence seem like small-minded, anti-english "braveheart" loving nonsense to me. I have no clue about politics mind you. Not something I'm proud of but I'm just not interested. I know I should be.

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I get the feeling that this election is becoming too tough to call, especially as it's looking unlikely that a Lab-Lib coalition will have enough seats to form a majority.

Is it completely unthinkable to suggest that the SNP and Lib Dems may do a deal to push for further devolution rather than independence? They're not that far apart ideologically, the SNP (with the Greens, Socialists and independents) combined with the Lib Dems may have enough to form a majority and I dare say they could all agree on pushing Westminister into granting additional powers without independence - especially as they would then be free to put their own spin on it.

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I worry that a lot of people will vote SNP for independence without thinking it through. Some Scots are incredibly bad for screaming "we hate the English, we want independence", on the grounds of some battles that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago, and from watching the almost entirely ficticious Braveheart a few times too many - the world has moved on significantly since those days but unfortunately some people's mindsets have not. I think a lot of people will let national pride get in the way of better judgement. The Union works - why break it up? For this reason I am voting Labour all the way, who I don't particularly care for, but I am voting more to keep SNP out than to keep Labour in.

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People can vote for SNP in my eyes if they really understand and believe in their politics, but there are too many under educated morons screaming 'freedom'. I worry for this election.

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People can vote for SNP in my eyes if they really understand and believe in their politics, but there are too many under educated morons screaming 'freedom'. I worry for this election.

i hate that stuff as much and possibly more than most. i used to be all for the union but i think the snp have some good policies and i also think that we should be able to have a proper discussion about independence ending in a referendum. surely that's the best solution for all? let the people decide and vote one way or the other.

doesn't anyone else find it incredibly patronising being told that we can't decide what's best for our country all the time?

it's not about freedom in the braveheart sense but for me it is about freedom to make our own mistakes and have our own successes. i'm just getting fed up with the whole labour/conservative thing as it's the same nonsense from both parties and they seem to have little interest in scotland as general elections are won by middle england.

now, in saying all that, i'm not necessarily in favour of independence but i do believe there's a case to be made for it. i'd like to hear both sides of the story and make my mind up based on some facts. i'm not convinced we'll get that with labour in power but at least we've seen what they can do. it's time to give the snp a chance to show what they can do.

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The Union works - why break it up? For this reason I am voting Labour all the way, who I don't particularly care for, but I am voting more to keep SNP out than to keep Labour in.

i'm not convinced it does work. obviously there are still some pro's to the union but i think it's served it's purpose to a degree.

scotland has a lot of potential and it's frustrating to see it being reigned in by the union. the scottish parliament is a world class building which should also be a world class institution. it's gone some way to proving that with things like the smoking ban but it could do so much more and it won't happen if labour or the tories hold government.

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i'm not convinced it does work. obviously there are still some pro's to the union but i think it's served it's purpose to a degree.

scotland has a lot of potential and it's frustrating to see it being reigned in by the union. the scottish parliament is a world class building which should also be a world class institution. it's gone some way to proving that with things like the smoking ban but it could do so much more and it won't happen if labour or the tories hold government.

The issue I have with full independence is economy. What is Scotland going to do after the oil runs out? The industry has been in decline for a number of years and the oil won't last forever. All the major energy companies are now looking at alternative fuels and renewable energy sources, what do we do when the bottom falls out of the industry completely?

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The issue I have with full independence is economy. What is Scotland going to do after the oil runs out? The industry has been in decline for a number of years and the oil won't last forever. All the major energy companies are now looking at alternative fuels and renewable energy sources, what do we do when the bottom falls out of the industry completely?

and scotland could be at the forefront of renewable energy and alternative fuels. we should be leading research into that now rather than fretting about oil.

the snp have made it clear that money from the oil industry will be put back into scotland to provide for the economy once the oil runs out not used to support wars and nuclear weapons.

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I'll probably be voting SNP, as I did last time. Primarily due to their policies that do not concern Independence though (although I am in support of a well-planned Independent Scotland). To me, they are a forward thinking left of centre party. Alex Salmond was speaking out against British foreign policy ten years ago around the time of Kosovo, and now look where we are.

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The military is a large part of Scotland's economy, though. The SNP are huge hypocrites in this area, condemning base closures and merging the regiments, all the while planning massive redundancies for people who work in that sector and its support industries as soon as they come to power.

They also don't mention how they're going to deal with Scotland's share of the UK's national debt. One thing's for sure, it will be a lot higher than our GDP, so as soon as we become independent we'll be in recession, and, coupled with rising unemployment leading to lower tax revenues, the economy will be a basketcase and the quality of our services will be a lot lower.

i don't agree with keeping a large army just for the sake of employment. it seems a bit silly to me. i'm sure the skills they've learned could be put to use in the civilian sector and army land redeveloped for other services such as renewable energy keeping jobs in those areas. i certainly don't agree with keeping nuclear weapons for the sake of employment, that's a ridiculous argument.

We have to deal with the UK's national debt just now so why shouldn't we deal with Scotland's portion upon independence? It's no certainty that it will be a bigger problem to an independent Scotland than it is to a United Kingdom.

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and scotland could be at the forefront of renewable energy and alternative fuels. we should be leading research into that now rather than fretting about oil.

Yup, if we had struck about 10 years ago, we could be leading Europe in research into renewable energy and alternative fuels. There's still time - but I'd say a *lot* more needs to be done to convince the major oil companies to really use Aberdeen and Scotland as a whole as their main European base for research and development.

In that case, a Labour/Conservative alliance, however unthinkable that may have been ten years ago, may well be triumphant. Look at the electoral math, it's quite possible, especially if, as seems likely, the majority of the electorate vote for Unionist parties.

I thought that, but would it not be in the Conservative's favour at the UK level to see more devolution for Scotland? They would then have an incredibly strong argument to push through a settlement for the West Lothian Question in the future - so I don't know, it really could go any way.

Can anyone find any polls from the last few days predicting the result?

I think though, this election is going to be decided on whether or not the electorate punishes Labour.

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Not really decided. First election of any kind I will have voted on.

Not voting for tories or labour under any circumstances.

Think of giving my council and constituency votes to Lib Dems.

Might concider Greens, Lib Dems or even SNP for list vote.

Lib Dems have become incapable of delivering any form of blow to the government whilst having light-weight leaders, both in Scotland and UK. Hope the return of Charles Kennedy is played well.

David Cameron might have been the most competant of conservative leaders for a while, he still isn't that good at PMQ's or interviews. so the Lib Dems really have no excuse.

I predict losses for Lib Dems and Labour, particularly Labour.

My suspicion is that support for independence is only marjinally higher than before. Most people are open to the idea, in theory but are yet to be entirely convinced of the benefits.

Lib Dems have claimed for some time that they couldn't have a coalition with SNP whilst they demanded a referrendum on indepedence. I suspect SNP + greens + new SSP type parties would probably not be big enough to form a government by themselves.

My suspicion say, we are either going to see some unlikely groupings or a minority coalition government. I suspect the first.

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I'm taking an Origami class so that I can make a wee boat out of my voting card, then I'm going to sail it down the Dee....coz that's what I'd be doing with my vote anyway, by putting a cross against any of the diddy parties on offer.

SNP, SSP, SSSM - Jeezuz! o_O

I'll be voting S&M - at least their chief whip knows what she's doing :up:

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Lib Dems have become incapable of delivering any form of blow to the government whilst having light-weight leaders, both in Scotland and UK. Hope the return of Charles Kennedy is played well.

David Cameron might have been the most competant of conservative leaders for a while, he still isn't that good at PMQ's or interviews. so the Lib Dems really have no excuse.

What you've said there pretty much sums up the problem with the Scottish elections (although this is not a slight at you). What you mention there is all Westminster politics. People need to remember that, no matter what happens in Holyrood, the overall leaders of the country are only decided at the General Election. So really, David Cameron, Gordon Brown and whoever is Lib Dem leader this month should have no real bearing on who we vote for.

There are so many people on here with such hate for SNP, talking about voting for Labour "to keep SNP out" like they're the fucking BNP or something. But it's quite short-sighted. Alex Salmond has stated, quite clearly, that a referendum on Independence would only come at the end of an SNP term of government. By that time, they would have had their chance to show the country whether or not they are actually capable of leading the country, and at the very least should have managed to broker a few deals with Westminster far more effectively than any Unionist "Do what Lahndan says" party. If by the end of that term people are unimpressed, they simply have to vote "No" to independence, and then a few months later vote the SNP out. And you know what? It'd probably be a near-killer blow for the party - no longer would they be able to say most people would vote for independence if they had the chance.

And who knows, perhaps they would actually do really WELL, and all you naysayers would be thinking "you know what? Maybe Labour really WERE just trying to scare the bejebus out of us with their tales of economic ruin in an independent Scotland. I might just vote "Yes" in the referendum."

Would they sink the country into debt if they were the biggest party in Holyrood? Well as long as we're still part of the UK, Westminster isn't going to allow that to happen. So why not have parties that have absolutely no commitments to middle Engerland deciding what happens (as much as they are allowed to)?

I say: vote for SNP or Solidarity (preferably SNP, like...) and shake up politics a wee bit.

I'm taking an Origami class so that I can make a wee boat out of my voting card' date=' then I'm going to sail it down the Dee....coz that's what I'd be doing with my vote anyway, by putting a cross against any of the diddy parties on offer.

SNP, SSP, SSSM - Jeezuz!

I'll be voting S&M - at least their chief whip knows what she's doing [/quote']

Bloody hell, did they not teach modern studies in your school? No wonder governemnts can do what they like with so many people like you around...

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There are so many people on here with such hate for SNP, talking about voting for Labour "to keep SNP out" like they're the fucking BNP or something. But it's quite short-sighted. Alex Salmond has stated, quite clearly, that a referendum on Independence would only come at the end of an SNP term of government. By that time, they would have had their chance to show the country whether or not they are actually capable of leading the country, and at the very least should have managed to broker a few deals with Westminster far more effectively than any Unionist "Do what Lahndan says" party. If by the end of that term people are unimpressed, they simply have to vote "No" to independence, and then a few months later vote the SNP out. And you know what? It'd probably be a near-killer blow for the party - no longer would they be able to say most people would vote for independence if they had the chance.

And whats so wrong with being ruled from "Lahndan"? It isn't short-sighted at all. Personally, I was born in Aberdeen to Scottish parents, and brought up in Scotland my entire life. For me, I am british first and Scottish second, and I quite simply don't want to see the Union break up. If Jabba the Hut and the SNP get in power, there is a chance that will happen, so why would I vote for them if a huge part of their manifesto is something that I am completely against? I'm not going give them a chance to show what they can do. I want that lot as far away from Parliament as possible. They're as bad as the BNP, stirring up anti-English feeling, as you prove yourself with your tirade against "Do what Lahndan says" parties. Back in the 80s one of their main campaign posters was a picture of Thatcher with vampire teeth and the caption "She's sucking Scotland dry", trying to instill a whole "us versus them" mentality, and they still do things like that to this day, albeit in a more subtle way. That's no way to take the country forward, it's not us versus the world, like we're some plucky underdog trying to overcome the London bullies.

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Bloody hell, did they not teach modern studies in your school? No wonder governemnts can do what they like with so many people like you around...

"people like me?"

What the fuck do you know about me?

Cunts like you who judge and categorise people on the basis of one (in my case one lighthearted) post on a completely non-authorative leisure forum, should be let absolutely NOWHERE near a voting booth.

GIRFUY :swearing:

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They're as bad as the BNP, stirring up anti-English feeling,

You can't possibly compare a party that wants to see an end to the union, with a party that is essentially based on protecting it's (completely wrong) view of it.

To think that there is any connection between the SNP and the BNP because they are both Nationalist parties is totally mis-guided, infact there's a rapidly growing support amongst Scotland's Muslim community for the SNP.

The SNP actually acknowledges that Scotland has had a declining population in the last few years and that the growing immigration-phobia down South is a possible severe detriment to the Scottish population.

I think there's some brilliant points made by Hardeep Singh and Alex Salmond in this little clip from Newsnight.

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You can't possibly compare a party that wants to see an end to the union, with a party that is essentially based on protecting it's (completely wrong) view of it.

To think that there is any connection between the SNP and the BNP because they are both Nationalist parties is totally mis-guided, infact there's a rapidly growing support amongst Scotland's Muslim community for the SNP.

The SNP actually acknowledges that Scotland has had a declining population in the last few years and that the growing immigration-phobia down South is a possible severe detriment to the Scottish population.

I think there's some brilliant points made by Hardeep Singh and Alex Salmond in this little clip from Newsnight.

I'm aware that the SNP are fairly liberal and openly welcome other cultures into Scotland. I wasn't comparing them to the BNP or calling them nazis. But at the same time they portay Scotland as an open, welcoming place, but they try to rally up all the Braveheart watching "fuck the English" brainless idiots to get their votes to get the independence they want, and don't try to tell me that these people aren't absolute key targets for the SNP. the anti-English thing is just another form of racism, albeit a more socially acceptable one. You see it in bars, workplaces, everywhere up here, the English guy of the group getting the piss taken out of him and called an english bastard, all in good spirits. If that person was Asian, do you think they'd take the piss out of him and called him a chinky bastard? If I were to sit in a bar and say I hate all Africans I'd be strung up. But if I sat in a bar and said I hate the English, half the bar would agree with me. I've kind of gotten away from my point a little bit here haven't I? I'm not claiming the SNP are racist, but I think a lot of their target voters are, specifically towards the English. And also I'm not saying all SNP voters are brainless idiots, as I'm sure it's not true, as people have proven in this very thread. But I think they try to pick up voters who are. Am I making sense?

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