HateEvent Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hello peoples.I am going to be buying another head (a Randall if interested) to go with my Powerball. I was going to maybe run them both through just one cab (Marshall 1960A). A guy I work with told me that if I want to do this then I need this load bearing ABY box. Reason being that the signal from the amp that isn't going through the cab has to go somewhere, that being the 'load bearing box'.I'm not totally clued up on all of this so I'm not totally sure what I'm looking for!Alternatively I could just buy another cab aswell but I was partially thinking convenience for gigging.Thanks for any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 A valve amp with an infinite output resistance (i.e. not plugged in) will quickly become a useless pile of ex-components.Something like this is what your looking for Tonebone Headbone VT valve tube amp head switcher - introduction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hence the 'load bearer'. That's the whole point of it!It would be plugged in. This load bearing box being where it's directed to when not through the cab... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hence the 'load bearer'. That's the whole point of it!It would be plugged in. This load bearing box being where it's directed to when not through the cab... I was pointing out why you needed it, as in you can't just switch to nothing (you did say you weren't very clued up). I've put a link in to something which will do the job for valves (I had a solid state head switcher to begin with, which is why the post seemed a bit incomplete) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Yeah I knew that much! Sorry that I took what ya said the wrong way! o_O I was more referring to not being clued up as to what's available and the differences between what are!The one problem I have - with regards to THAT one - is that one of the heads is valve and the other is solid state. Having read the page, the 'TS' would be the one good for that.These are all AB boxes I see. Are there any that are ABY you know of?Thanks for the link though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lime ruined my life Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Yeah I knew that much! Sorry that I took what ya said the wrong way! o_O I was more referring to not being clued up as to what's available and the differences between what are!The one problem I have - with regards to THAT one - is that one of the heads is valve and the other is solid state. Having read the page, the 'TS' would be the one good for that.These are all AB boxes I see. Are there any that are ABY you know of?Thanks for the link though!You could plug both amps into the cab and then switch the guitar from amp1>amp2 using a normal AB?If your cab only has one input you could easily diy another input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted December 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 You could plug both amps into the cab and then switch the guitar from amp1>amp2 using a normal AB?If your cab only has one input you could easily diy another input.In theory, yes. The 1960A is a stereo cab so essentially I could switch it to stereo and plug both heads in, giving what would be 2 2x12s in one enclosure.I, however, love the fullness and depth to my sound with the 4x12 at my back.I could always try the 2 2x12 when I get the Randall and then decide from there if I need the load bearing AB instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 You could plug both amps into the cab and then switch the guitar from amp1>amp2 using a normal AB?If your cab only has one input you could easily diy another input. That won't work, not only will the impedance of the unused amp affect the impedance that the amp your using "sees" but you're effectively trying to shove the output signal of one amp into the output of the other. I'm not sure what that would do, but I'm guessing it's not good.EDIT: I have inadvertently wired two power amps to the same cab before, the sound crapped up something awful. Luckily I figured out what the problem was before any damage was caused. I wouldn't like to bet on a valve amp surviving the experience though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Yeah I knew that much! Sorry that I took what ya said the wrong way! o_O I was more referring to not being clued up as to what's available and the differences between what are!The one problem I have - with regards to THAT one - is that one of the heads is valve and the other is solid state. Having read the page, the 'TS' would be the one good for that.These are all AB boxes I see. Are there any that are ABY you know of?Thanks for the link though! ABY, you mean a choice of either amp or both? That would be tricky (see above post) and I'm not sure there is such a thing commercially available. Using the cab as 2 2x12's is definitely the cheapest option, although you'll need two mics on the cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longhorn Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 +1 on tonebone headbone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lame Guitarist Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 bear in mind with the headbone switcher, you cant use effects such as delay in the effects loop apparently. It supposedly can damage the amps when you switch between them and the delay is still repeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lame Guitarist Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 ABY, you mean a choice of either amp or both? That would be tricky (see above post) and I'm not sure there is such a thing commercially available. Using the cab as 2 2x12's is definitely the cheapest option, although you'll need two mics on the cab.there are things called lehle switchers from soundsgreatmusic.com and they allow switching between heads or running 2 or 3 heads together but i think they have to go into separate cabs.The one i use has to have each amp into its own cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inc18457 Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 so it's going to be left to me...really...no-one else is gonna say it...?is there really any need to have 2 hi-quality amps at the same gig at the moorings or whereever?i understand you might want different sounds for different songs, but c ome on! you're not actually dimebag darrel...surely this powerball thing (i read up, they're expensive, meaning probably relatively good) should be able to satisfy both/all your tone needs?if you were palying massive arenas and needed different sounds for certain solos to carry to the back of the hall or whatever then fine, but i don't think youy're at that level, are you? (please correct me if i'm mistaken!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tam o' Shantie Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Where the fuck do you get the money to constantly buy thousands of pounds' worth of gear?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonie Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 he's a 'metaller' so he saves money on non-essential things like cleaning products. /x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lime ruined my life Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 That won't work, not only will the impedance of the unused amp affect the impedance that the amp your using "sees" but you're effectively trying to shove the output signal of one amp into the output of the other. I'm not sure what that would do, but I'm guessing it's not good.EDIT: I have inadvertently wired two power amps to the same cab before, the sound crapped up something awful. Luckily I figured out what the problem was before any damage was caused. I wouldn't like to bet on a valve amp surviving the experience though.i meant diy an extra input, ie split a 4x12 into 2 2x12's. although its only useful if u dont mind using 2 speakers instead of 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lime ruined my life Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 so it's going to be left to me...really...no-one else is gonna say it...?is there really any need to have 2 hi-quality amps at the same gig at the moorings or whereever?i understand you might want different sounds for different songs, but c ome on! you're not actually dimebag darrel...surely this powerball thing (i read up, they're expensive, meaning probably relatively good) should be able to satisfy both/all your tone needs?if you were palying massive arenas and needed different sounds for certain solos to carry to the back of the hall or whatever then fine, but i don't think youy're at that level, are you? (please correct me if i'm mistaken!!!)wheres the fun in using one amp?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lame Guitarist Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 wheres the fun in using one amp??yeahnothing wrong in using 2 amps at the same time, You can blend sounds or have one amp set for rhythm and another for lead or one for clean sounds.Comes down to personal taste and just cos someone wants to use 2 amps aint breaking an unwritten rule!I use a 5150 for leads and a Deizel Herbert for Rhythm through separate cabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inc18457 Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 wheres the fun in using one amp??just seems like pointless overkill in "angel of death's" situaiton, thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lime ruined my life Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 just seems like pointless overkill in "angel of death's" situaiton, thats allwhat's the fun in avoiding overkill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longhorn Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 so it's going to be left to me...really...no-one else is gonna say it...?is there really any need to have 2 hi-quality amps at the same gig at the moorings or whereever?i understand you might want different sounds for different songs, but c ome on! you're not actually dimebag darrel...surely this powerball thing (i read up, they're expensive, meaning probably relatively good) should be able to satisfy both/all your tone needs?if you were palying massive arenas and needed different sounds for certain solos to carry to the back of the hall or whatever then fine, but i don't think youy're at that level, are you? (please correct me if i'm mistaken!!!)It's to have 2 sounds at the same time. When you mix them up you can get a killer heavy sound - it's what you do in the studio - blend different amp tones.I sometimes run 2 amps together if I can be assed. Always better than just one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inc18457 Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 your man angel of death only has one speaker cabinet though...so can only use one head a time...thus my thinking it's pointless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gasss Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 your man angel of death only has one speaker cabinet though...so can only use one head a time...thus my thinking it's pointless...Like Lime said, the 1960 is a stereo speaker cabinet that can be run as a mono 4x12 or, effectively, as two mono 2x12s with separate inputs. I used to run a Fender Bassman and a Burman head in stereo through a 1936 2X12. It sounded great but my back and car boot disagreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 just seems like pointless overkill in "angel of death's" situaiton, thats allGuitars and amps are very much a part of Angel of Death's life, he is certainly not trying to be Dimebag, he is just passionate about guitar stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Guitars and amps are very much a part of Angel of Death's life, he is certainly not trying to be Dimebag, he is just passionate about guitar stuff.Absolutely Some folks collect stamps, others that Capo De Monte shite. some folks even collect matchbooks.Me and AOD collect gear Easy peasy lemon squeezy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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