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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5106612.stm

Rather worrying that now you can be sent off to prison longer for having consensual sex with 13/14 year old girls than you can for murder.

A murderer with a life sentence could potentially be released after 5 years where as this guy will probably have to serve the full term of his sentence because there is more of a stigma attached to his crime.

I'm not in any way condoning what he did or was trying to do...the evidence (the child porn and such) showed that he was a sick bastard but the crime he is getting charged for is having consensual sex with girls old enough to have an idea of what he must be after...bearing in mind he was 19 at the time (not that big an age gap) I think its shocking that you can get punished more for this than murder 8o

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shut up min.

so, you think grooming is a great lead up to "consentual sex" ?

And I don't think 9 years is as long as a murder charge, you'll find that he'd be out before the 9 is up, much like the badly reported "out in 6 years" murder, you are obviously refering to.

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Should the girl in this story rot in hell too?

From Daily Record website dated 21st June:

http://tinyurl.com/e73eb

Girl, 18, charged over sex romps with football boys aged 12 and 14.

By Lori Campbell

AN 18-YEAR-OLD girl is facing charges after allegedly having sex with two boys aged 12 and 14.

The student is accused of having full intercourse with the lads, who play together in an under-14 football team.

In addition, she is alleged to have performed a sex act on the 12-year-old. She has been charged with two counts of lewd and libidinous behaviour towards underage boys.

Leading advocate Tony Graham said last night: "If this was an 18-year-old man accused of having sex with a 12-year-old girl, the charge would likely be one of statutory rape.

"But as the law stands, a woman cannot be charged with rape in Scotland."

The 18-year-old allegedly assaulted the younger of the boys at her home in Bathgate, West Lothian, on Friday, June 9. It is claimed she asked him up to her bedroom after drinking with him and his pals.

A former friend of the girl said: "Apparently she took him upstairs after feeding him drink all night. The next thing anybody knew about it was when he came running down crying.

"He is so young. She should have been more responsible."

The source added: "The boy's mum reported it to police. Officers were round at the lad's house last week with social workers."

It's claimed the girl had sex with the 14-year-old in her bedroom on May 27. He reported the alleged incident after learning that his friend's family had gone to police.

The Record understands that the girl often invited boys from the under-14 football team to her home while her father was out in the evening.

Our source said: "She would have the boys round just about every weekend. She was popular with them because she gave them alcohol.

"She has been hanging around with a younger crowd because she has gradually fallen out with everybody her own age.

"This is not the first time she has been sexually involved with younger lads. She has been bragging around the place about how she was pregnant to a different boy and had an abortion."

The Record spoke to the girl's mother yesterday, and she angrily accused the 12-year-old of seducing her daughter.

The mum said: "This boy is no innocent virgin.

"He has probably slept with more people than me and you put together.

"It is well known he had sex with lots of girls before my daughter. It is not like she was his first time - he wanted to sleep with her."

As her daughter munched crisps in the background, the mother added: "The boy has been going about the town bragging that he has had sex with an 18-year-old woman. He's proud of it. "I don't condone my daughter's behaviour, I'm just saying the boy is at fault too.

"Just because he is 12 doesn't mean he is naive and innocent. I'm sure the same is true of the 14-year-old, although I don't know him."

The 12-year-old's mother hit back angrily: "As far as I'm concerned, my son is too young to know what was happening."

A spokeswoman for Lothian and Borders Police confirmed a young woman had been charged over the alleged incidents. She added: "An 18-year-old will be the subject of a report to the procurator fiscal."

I`m gonna throw this into the mix aswell...... http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2943

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Guest MKII
C*** should get his baaaaaaz cut off.

End of.

That wouldn't do much to stop/cure their desire/problem apparently. It's all in the mind you see.

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Guest MDP

the whole thing about girls not being able to get done for rape is a fucking shit law. it can, and does happen.

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Just so I don't get interpreted incorrectly what I was trying to say was:

  • What the guy got CHARGED for wasn't really deserving of a 9 year sentence. There is absolutely no suggestion in the article that the girls were raped, abused or even regretted what happened. They met up with him and had consensual sex...they probably knew full well when meeting him that this is what he was interested in.
    There are thousands of 14 year old girls who are maturer both mentally and physically than their age would suggest. Plenty of these girls know fine well what they're doing and even go out looking for older guys so assuming that these girls weren't really innocent little children (which, in my opinion most 14 year olds nowadays are not) then does the guy really deserve 9 years based on these charges alone?
  • The guy had child porn on his computer and was obviously going for underage girls. This is also illegal behaviour and I believe he should have been charged for this, or at least put on the sex offenders list or held because of the potential risk to young girls he may pose in the future. The unhealthy obsession he has will most likely get worse in time and whereas he might be happy with consensual sex with 14 year olds for now in the future he may go for younger girls, or turn to rape.

So to conclude yes the guy is sick and needs to be watched/punished but it was the consensual sex he got charged for. I think at 14 a girl knows what shes doing and a 19 year old guy shouldnt be sent to prison for 9 years for being involved with her in a mutually consenting way (sorry to keep repeating that, but a lot of you brought up "rape" so I think its important to make the difference between the two).

And to reply to:

so, you think grooming is a great lead up to "consentual sex" ?

No, I think grooming young children is not acceptable but I just don't believe that 14 year old girls are that naive and innocent that they don't know better...especially with all the media coverage on paedophiles and why young girls shouldn't meet with strangers off the internet.

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but I just don't believe that 14 year old girls are that naive and innocent that they don't know better

classic...

best stop there, eh.

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classic...

best stop there' date=' eh.[/quote']

How about rather than just passing off meaningless sarcastic comments you actually give some sort of constructive opinion?

I'm open to other people's thoughts and opinions, but your waste of space comments really don't get anyone anywhere.

And just for the record, when was the last time you were a 14 year old girl? You seem to be so sure and knowledgeable on the topic and you don't seem to think your statements need any arguements to justify them that I really am curious as to the answer of this question.

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