Knight of Swords Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 I haven't read everything that's been posted (so forgive me if this has already been said), but I noticed someone saying that the advocates of animal testing have over emphasised it's importance. I agree that this is true, however, I know that insulin was tested on pigs and the development of that has saved a hell of a lot of people (also more interested in this from a personal perspective because diabetes runs in my family and I reckon I might develop it at some point). Testing on animals has its uses, although it would be better if we didn't have to do it. I don't know enough about the alternatives to form an argument about that.Wouldn't test cosmetics on animals. That's been useful in the past, but we've long since learned how to make shampoo that doesn't irritate your skin etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Commander Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Can't be arsed reading the whole thread, but the answer is simple. Leave the animals alone and test on the various lowlifes that plague modern society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabags Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Sounds really bad but i was taught that those experiment were actually 'successful' because they improved the knowledge and science of the human body and its limits greatly. It's believed they managed to significantly advance the fields of:Freezing / HypothermiaGeneticsInfectious DiseasesInterrogation and TortureHigh AltitudePharmacologicalSterilizationSurgeryTraumatic Injuriesof course it did. rather than pissing about with animals these tests were carried out on humans, which they were intended for. so they're gonna discover it far easier.Im not condoning genocide. far from it. but basically, the idea was almost perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Can't be arsed reading the whole thread' date=' but the answer is simple. Leave the animals alone and test on the various lowlifes that plague modern society.[/quote']Bullshit, I'm all for genuine medical animal testing, just not stuff like cosmetics or other such pointless things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullmouse Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 of course it did. rather than pissing about with animals these tests were carried out on humans' date=' which they were intended for. so they're gonna discover it far easier.Im not condoning genocide. far from it. but basically, the idea was almost perfect.[/quote']S'good article about the legacy of Nazi science here: http://www.adl.org/Braun/dim_14_1_nazi_med.aspIntelligently designed experiments in animals would have shown the same results the Nazis generated in humans. The Nazis, however, viewed ethnic minorities and the disabled as diseased or in someway sub-human - No better than animals in their eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullmouse Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Some interesting news in the journal Science today - The European Commission and leading industry associations have agreed to cut the number of animals used in basic research, toxicology and quality control of health products by 20% by 2007.I'm sure a few people on here will argue that it's not enough, but in terms of recent trends it's a major advancement not only due to the reduction of animal numbers but also due to the increase in finance for the development of alternative methods. Furthermore, the EC is promoting collaboration which should facilitate the rapid validation of these non-animal techniques. Which means that the trend should be for continued decrease in animal use in the EU over the coming few years.No matter what side of the 'useful or not' debate you sit, I think everyone agrees that the use of valid alternatives is by far the preferred option to animal research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim.. Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Perhaps they could spend their time making an animal that felt no pain. Then we could do what we liked to it without guilt. But then why bother doing that when we have humans without guilt.Therefore, testing on animals = OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pop-notmyface Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 go Team Animals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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