Bletheringvegan

I'm playing through this again as the evilist bastard you can be. Great stress relief.

This is an unfair hypoethetical. Moral intuition would tell me to tend to the human first and I don't see how this would make me a speciesist. I am concerned with the "unecessary" suffering of animals, but if a situation like this actually did occur of course I would tend to the human first. Question for you: What if the human was the countries worst peodophile and the dog was a member of your family? See, unfair hypothetical.

Racism and sexism are based on prejudice and hate because of what? Because of a difference in skin colour/nationality or a difference in gender. I fail to see how this 'othering' is different than the 'othering' based on species. And for the record it is not my goal to belittle the stupidity of racism and sexism. My veganism stems from a general rejection of all oppressions and hierarchies, so I put as much weight on opposing racism, sexism and homophonia as I do on speciesism.

Oh and also someone said that we should sort out humanity before we worry about animals. Why can't we do both? Most animal rights activists I know are also active in human related causes too.

Wow, this has moved on at least 10 pages since I've last been able to post. The question of variety is absurd, there's only a few types of flesh and only a few things you can do with reproductive excretions, yet there is a plethora of different vegetables, fruits, nuts, grains and whatever else we vegans eat. I think someone said that you can't compare racism, sexism and homophobia to speciesism, I'd disagree with this. Although the contexts are different, the process of 'othering' is essentially the same. I just had a quick skim through the last 10 pages so apologies if any of this has already been covered.

+2 ?(o_O

Although I find historical diets very interesting, I don't see it as a logical basis for our current diets. The reason they ate animal flesh was completely different from the reasons we do. Besides there are a lot of traditions in history that we shouldn't be proud of and definetely shouldn't replicate today... I'm not sure about traditional vegan cultures apart from the ones you have mentioned, might actually give that a bit of research, would be interesting to find out!

I have stated so many times in this thread that you can live perfectly fine on a plant-based diet, which is backed up by all major dietetic associations, so any argument you have regarding meat and its supposed nutritional qualities doesn't really hold. If you are concerned about a consistently growing population then we should STOP eating meat because a high percentage of the land we could grow plant based crops on for feeding people is used for grazing or growing plants for animal feed. If you were stupid enough to be near a tiger and harass it enough for it to eat you then I might laugh, but I am no stinky fucking hippy.

If it is something that bothers you that much why are you hiding from it? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

So let me get this straight. Because some historical community ate animals then you have to as well? They would have hunted out of necessity. That is the issue here, we don't need to kill 53 billion+ animals a year for our plates, there is no necessity. If you so enamored with historical societies and their animal consuming habits, then why do you eat animal products that are killed, skinned, cut up and put into containers for you? And why should the question not be "should humans eat meat at all?". It doesn't matter to me whether the slaughter of animals is done by the grace of some some mystical sky being or not, it's still killing a sentient being that doesn't need to be killed. Also, yeah, where has the thread starter gone? lol

Yeah, that's really sad. Just to be clear I don't 'hate' anyone for eating animals etc, I once did just that before I actually stopped to think about the repercussions my diet was having on other sentient beings and the world as a whole. The sad fact is that although you or I might be capable of looking after a companion animal, a lot of people aren't. Just look at the thousands and thousands of animals that are in shelters and then euthanised, because they haven't been claimed/adopted, to make space for even more unwanted "pets".

Thank you. I was just going to point out that not once have I insulted anyone. Just because he doesn't even want to entertain the idea that animals might just feel pain and should be extended the right not to be regarded as human property, doesn't mean the rest of us can't have a good conversation/debate about it!

Oh true, wrong choice of words on my part. But still the point stands, millions of people didn't see anything wrong with slavery, yet that didn't mean they were right.

No, I'm not. I plan to post on other forums as well, bletheringvegan is just a username I use because I rant a lot and I'm a vegan. I dislike trolls more than most people, but I do like your profile picture. Do you visit B3ta.com by any chance?

Who me? Why is that?