No need ross, like bob said higher up each to there own, this is a forum for opinions, dont like it deal with it, your never gonna make it with an attitude like that, fuck the haters man, aint that what punk (pop or other) is all about. just cause you dont like bens style of music and he doesnt like your doesnt mean we need a name call fest. come on ti fuck, its not school ! p.s i like heller states music, sometimes. its fun