Well Mr Tanned I stand by both my statements, although my second statement was slightly misleading and I will explain why later on. First and foremost, I am discounting what Dick Cheney had to say for himself in 2000, as he is quite irrelevant to what I said, as I explicitly referred to George W. Bush. To support your claim that I should have looked harder to presumably find evidence that Bush called for an invasion of Iraq prior to being President, you provide an excerpt from one of the debates between Gore and Bush during the campaign for the 2000 Presidential Election, which even you admit does not call for an invasion of Iraq! To be honest I do not know why you even bothered replying to my post, surely if you were trying to find misleading statements in the thread Buxs posts would have been a good place to start. Unless, of course you believe that the US Government carried out the 9/11 attacks or that there is a World Government going to take over to enslave the Worlds population. As you admit, no where in that excerpt does Bush lucidly call for an invasion of Iraq, what he does do is state that he would like to see the end of Saddam Husseins tyranny in Iraq. That is hardly a controversial statement. In fact, if he refused to say that he would like to see the end of Husseins tyranny in Iraq then he would have struggled to win Texas let alone Florida in the 2000 Election. If you do equate wanting to see the end of a dictator to an invasion of a Country the fact that both Gore and Bush probably called the end of Castros tenure during debates on foreign policy disputes that. Unless you think that the US are going to invade Cuba in the near future. (When I say probably, I mean both candidates would have had to call for the removal of Castro to have any chance of winning the pivotal State of Florida). On that same point many people in the anti-war movement have stated that they were against the War with Iraq, but were happy to see the end of Saddam Hussein, therefore you can ostensibly support the removal of Hussein, but not an invasion of Iraq. I presume you were against the war, but are happy that Hussein has been removed from power? Regarding my second statement, In fact, he (Bush) campaigned on a right-wing isolationist foreign policy, I must admit that my language was slightly misleading. When I used the term right-wing isolationist it does appear to make Bush comparable to someone like Pat Buchanan and others like him in the US. That definitely was not my intention as they are extreme isolationists who I believe still write articles today about why the US should not have entered the Second World War. Instead of the term right-wing isolationist I should have used moderate isolationist or neo-isolationist as many of Bushs views regarding foreign policy during the 2000 campaign definitely took that form. For example, one of Bushs biggest campaigns regarding foreign policy during the 2000 Election was for the removal of US troops from the Balkans. Also, there are numerous quotes form Bush during the campaign to suggest he would have a somewhat isolationist foreign policy. For example, I would take the use of force very seriously. I would be guarded in my approach. I don't think we can be all things to all people in the world. I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our troops, But we cant be all things to all people in the world. I am worried about over-committing our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use. I dont think nation-building missions are worthwhile. Maybe you should read Bux's posts now...