Doc

I wasn't calling you a cunt. I don't know you. If you're a benefits scrounger then you are a cunt however. I don't need to veil it. As for the rest of it, you plainly understand nothing and would prefer to believe you live in some sort of orwellian nightmare. Wouldn't you rather have some fun and maybe get some joy out of life instead of wringing your hands and whining as if that's some sort of placebo for a social conscience. Talk to All systems fail. He's misguided in some ways but he does have a social conscience.

Do you seriously believe macdonald is the brains behind the NF? He was given his instructions and carried them out. Just because someone is a racist does not make them stupid. There are some smart cookies in the NF and by dismissing them as neanderthal morons, you set yourself up for being out manoevered...like you just were in this case. If you can't see that, then you have a blinkered view. Not having a go at you, it just seems painfully obvious to me. Not seeing the wood for trees perhaps?

Let's look at activism as an active role in society and making a difference in the world shall we? Those who bother to vote make a difference. Those who work and pay taxes make a difference. Everyone who recycles makes a difference. Everyone who walks instead of taking the car makes a difference. Everyone who buys fair trade goods makes a difference. Everyone who turns their heating down by two degrees makes a diference. Giving to charity makes a difference. Living a decent life by not sponging off the state or robbing people or getting involved in violence makes a difference. If you have a "political activist" who doesn't work or contribute to society by paying taxes, and a great many of them are like this, but simply protests all the time, waving little banners and demonstrating at the expense of every taxpayer,then he is simply a parasite who makes no difference whatsoever. If you have an activist who openly displays his contempt for people who's interest in politics begins and ends at exercising their democratic rights and contributing to the society they live in, then this activist is simply a cunt who has missed the point. All political animals are the servants of the people not the other way around. You engage in politics by our, the peoples' leave. But don't you dare say that non politcal people don't make a difference, because it's there that the difference begins. Not with self important, look at me activists.

No, you're simply a fooled man. It's obvious to anyone with a glimmer of intelligence that someone was pulling his strings and through him, everybody elses' involved. They got the result the hoped for..it was written all over his simian face as he hadn't the wit to hold it in.

The duo I mentioned earlier have turned down several offers to tour the US and europe, mainly because they have a life and a 13 year old daughter. They've consistently refused to go to London for record deals and to tour because they're happy touring Scotland and playing in Cyprus during the summer. They've sold thousands of records in the last few years but they're don't go into the charts because they never bar code them...they're just not interested in that. Does that make them sell outs?

They've certainly got you fooled. As Ian said it was an exercise in media and public manipulation and it worked a treat. They played everyone like fiddles and achieved their objective...media coverage and everyone screaming about it. Saatchi and Saatchi would have charged millions for that and you lot gave it to them for free. I said at the beginning of all this to ignore them completely, but no, it was all " protest at this and they must be stopped and oh the fascist bastards." No wonder the fucker was laughing at you.

I'm with Ian here too. If you vote, you're a political activist. And opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. I have more respect for an ordinary voter than I do for anarchists like all systems fail who want to tear it all down. Unlike ASF, however, I believe he has the right to his opinion and consider it just as valid as mine and would never seek to deprive him of his platform, like he continually advocates for people or groups that do not share his view. eg the NF, non politically active people, Ian ect.

Yep. I was there. Great night. Good duo in the bar too. There's something disturbing about men that age with ponytails though.