Doc

So much is wrong with this post! You are stupid enough to suggest that only those who plays instruments are capable of having an opinion about music. I'll use the example that i used before that if this was case then there wouldn't be many music fans because to like (or dislike) something you need to have an opinion on it. If you had your way the only music fans there'd be would be musicians themselves. And for us mere mortals we don't look to the technical abilities when deciding if we like a certain piece of music. It is much more of an instinctive/intellectual/emotional/whatever' date=' reaction to music. Listening to music purely to appreciate the skill it takes to play is so stupid.

I ain't having a go at the kid here btw! But i don't like his music to listen to. It seems he has considerable technical ability and versatility but this doesn't change the way i feel about the music he has made. All i can say is that he has the technical ability at his disposal which may well help him create great music.[/quote']

You are of course, entitled to your own opinion. And I'm not saying you in particular were a dick. However, many of the "contributors" on here are just that...musically retarded dicks. And there seems to be a ass licking culture that supports such dicks and disdaining that which does not support what is regarded as "cool" and "valid".

And to attack the father of a very young man, who, as was quite rightly stated by the more enlightened members, has many years in which to mature and hone his craft, is just ...well a jealous, untalented cunts' trick.

I always enjoy the glee with which this particular scene seems to exude when they're ripping the shit out of anyone who dares to show some enthusiasm for music and their part in it.

What makes any of you think you can usefully comment on some lad's song? You're not exactly prominent or succesful songwriters yourselves, are you? The old saying says it all. Those who can't.....become critics.

Long live the musically autistic. Down with talent.

I forgot the caveat...without lugging your gear up 4 storeys. And it suffers the same as anywhere off the high street.

Oh and Doc er Bedhead how ya doing?

Close. I'm Stu's son. I guess he knows you then.

Yep, stairs are a bitch.

Even the Town Hall seems too far out of the way for folk and your events had to end quite early as everyone bails out to go up to Downtown SATAN. Then you see the likes of Sold On Soul sell out the place...

Talking of acoustics I can't hink of a single place in Elgin that has a good sound

Gigs eh...

Elgin city's function room has a good sound. Not huge, but a decent stage. They are also amenable to letting it be used for gigs. Don't know at what cost though.

Here's an equation that explains it all.

Coldplay=commercially and artistically successful/

therefore/Aberdeen Music Musos=fucking hate them.

To apply equation to other successful acts, simply replace "coldplay" with the band of your choice.

hang on' date=' you KNOW Eric Bogle? as in, personally?

the guy is a total hero of mine! [/quote']

Yes I know Eric and had the joy of supporting him at Lossie Folk Club two years ago. Absolutely great bloke.

like most things in the media industry' date=' there are no rules but i would suggest that you find an alternative career as your chances of making a living out of music whilst not impossible are somewhat slim.[/quote']

Space and bandwidth prohibits me listing all the people I know making a good living out of music.

But if it's older ones you want.........

Manson Grant (and his Dynamos)......about 70 ish now. Still going.

Michael Darren(singer/guitarist)......50, 30 years a pro.

Eileen G (country singer)...52, still there.

Stu Richardson (from BedHead)...45, 30 years at it and gigging more than ever.

Mike Silver (singer/songwriter) 55, god knows how long.

Eric Bogle (singer/songwriter) 70 odd.. Wrote Green Fields of France ect.

Of course none of these are punk or metal so you won't have heard of them or give a fuck, but they do have careers and they have lasted the course. And there are many more.

My problem with the death penalty is that if you hang someone then when eveidence 15 years later proves they were innocent after all, there's no going back. At least you can compensate someone who's wrongly convicted for spending 15 years in jail if he's alive.

And why do we jail people for non payment of fines and fraud anyway???

Dynamic mic pointed where the neck joins the body. Overhead condeser pointing over your shoulder. Play and move mics till the sweet spot is found....you'll know it when you hear it.

That sounds familiar' date=' is it not a BSS guide to EQ?

Unfortunately it leaves out the fact that if the speakers/room aren't that good you've got to do a lot more than 3 frequencies before you can START worrying about feedback.

Personally I wouldn't bother with feedback suppressors: if you need one you've either already fucked it up, your speakers are mince or you're out of your depth and should get in a pro. I've never seen (heard) one faster than a competent human.[/quote']

Very true indeed.

ha ha ha what a tosser

as previously mentioned' date=' fuck off to the HUBL.

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I suggest, laddie, that you try your aggressive sun reader censorship tactics on someone upon whom it will work.

If you think your juvenile abuse makes you seem hard and cool, I'm sorry to disabuse you. It makes you look squalid and childish. It's very easy to be brave whilst hiding behind your computer...not so easy in real life.

Oh, and learn to spell.

I suspect that Doc's post was primarily directed against those that post extremely negative comments that they intend to be taken seriously and for no apparent reason other than to upset others. I've met some of these people in real life and they appear normal' date=' even nice. So why do they behave like this on the Internet?

Here's what I propose... we get hold of all these fuckers and burn them. Yeah! Who's with me?[/quote']

That's exactly what I meant. A glimmer of intelligence at last.

And the virtriol I've attracted from the likes of stuart maxwank just goes to prove my point.

And also you cannot gabble on about people being allowed to voice their opinions and then refuse me mine...it's very silly and immature isn't it? Isn't it????

And stuart if you cannot engage in discussion without resorting to abuse then you're plainly very limited in your vocabulary and IQ.

Hehe interestingly enough' date=' I had this crazy idea once that bar staff could wear ear protectors, and punters would use touch screens at the bar to key in what they want rather than scream "THREE PINTS!! THREE PINTS!!! CAN'T YOU F@&KING HEAR ME!!!"[/quote']

Don't laugh it could happen.

i do not understand why doc posts here. at every given chance he posts his disgust at aberdeens music scene and everything involved

please fuck off pal

Fucking nonsense. I simply hate all the jealous negativity that's ingrained in this tiny, tiny, insular part of aberdeen's music scene that posts here. And it is tiny. The scene as you persist in calling it, is much bigger and encompasses so much more than the inward looking music fascists that seem to gravitate toward this board.

Compare this forum with HUBL for instance.

So I tell you what....YOU fuck off.

85dB? You're joking! That could never take off, there has to be some exceptions to this, like, a noise licence or something. Concerts just wouldn't be worth going to.

Then again...it might be nice to actually have a conversation in moshulu from time to time [/quote

It's not for the punters, it's for the staff!! Latest proposals are that staff can be exposed to 85dB for no more than 1 hour without hearing protection!!!!

They haven't even got around to protecting the punters yet. I've heard levels of 90 dB being bandied about.

From the posts so far, I'd say that , without even hearing the band, stayover must be going somewhere and getting some attention. Each and every time an aberdeen band starts to raise it's game above the rest of the shite, the snipers and green eyed monsters crawl out from under their rocks to slag them off and bring them back down to their level.

Just remember guys, success and competence and talent are alien to most of the posters on here and if you display any of it, you will be attacked, shunned and critised.

It's jealousy pure and simple, the same jealousy and hatred of success that leads them to attack just about every mainstream band simply because they make some money and people actually like to buy their records.

Rise above it. It means you're doing something right. Flash too.

Ok' date=' ok, I see what you're saying. I've seen a number of cheaper systems being run without an EQ and there not being too much of a problem, but to say that only 2000 plus EQs are worth having (after suggesting a BEHRINGER eq unit??? I'll let that slide since you were making a point I would have recommended a driverack myself but they're quite pricey.)? I recommend you take a look at Michael Knowles graphic EQ shootout . For monitors particularly its my firm opinion that the more gain before feedback available the better, and an EQ unit can give you that, especially if you find yourself in a strange shaped room with a lot of reflections. I've managed to reduce feedback and other reflections using just a peavey CEQ unit and the system sounds all the better for it. I've even been able to squeeze more usable volume out of a powered mixer just by tweaking its 7-band eq.

You are right, you dont NEED and EQ unit, and you can get off without one but a carpenter doesn't really NEED a hammer if he can just bash nails with a large file. He still carries a hammer.

I agree. They're very useful if you're using wedge monitors, which seriously limit your gain structure if you don't have one. However, now that in ear systems are getting cheaper, many bands opt for this instead of wedges and have much less feedback issues.

The behringer, while cheap, works very well, but the drive rack is a superb piece of kit, well worth the price tag. Fast and easy to use. You can also set up a room then save it and recall it next time you play there.

With the latest noise police regulations, it won't be long before you won't be able to turn a PA up loud enough to get feedback. 85 dB indeed!

Doc' date=' I absolutely agree.

Heres an explanation on how to use an EQ to reduce feedback:

[url']http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7286019post7286019

and here it is again, worded differently:

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=8262668post8262668

if you note in that last thread, theres a link to a nice little piece of software called the 'Neihoff Feedback Trainer', its a simple and effective way to help you identify feedback frequencies, recommended

On a side note - there are far too many djs in aberdeen who take one look at an EQ unit and say "Ooh! Ooh! Smiley face smiley face!" and turn the sound to mince. I hear it all the time when I'm out, exodus is quite bad for it.

Although this may be true in a number of cases...

1. I'd rather have and not want, than need and not have.

2. If you have no other low pass filters in your system, a lot of EQs will have this feature. A low pass filter around 30 - 50hz will help protect the (sub)woofers, let the system run efficiently and in certain cases a system will have more punch or clarity with such a filter engaged.

3. How many SERIOUS systems have you seen without an EQ or DSP?

Some food for thought...

Serious systems have serious eq units costing 2000 plus-the only ones with enough definition to be worth having. You don't really need one if you know what you're doing with mobile systems under 5000 watts, providing, as you rightly say, your desk is good enough to have low pass filters.

The poormans guide to ringing out....

1. Set the EQ to flat (use the detents)

2. Very slowly increase the gain of your first mic channel until you hit feedback' date=' not loads of feedback, but just one frequency ringing out. Too much and you've gone too far. Find the corresponding frequency on the graphic and roll it off just until it cuts off.

3. After removing the first "ring" , increase the gain again, the next time it feedbacks you will hear a much more prominent frequency, which will most likely be your culprit. Roll it off the EQ slowly again.

4. Repeat one more time if desired

5. By this time when you increase the gain you're likely to hear 3 feedback notes, this indicates that your gain is too loud!

You should rarely have to pull out more than 3 frequencies, leaving the EQ flat could even be the best answer. Use your ears as judgement. Every room/scenario is going to be different obviously, so theres no golden rule. Once you've brought up all mics, ring out the whole mix and check levels again.

A tip: patch in a compressor and set the ratio to infinite with a low threshold, this means you won't kill your speakers (or more importantly, your ears) when ringing out.[/quote']

If that's all too much for you, buy a behringer ultra curve pro and a reference mike and it'll do it all automatically.

Graphic EQs are a lot of trouble unless you know how to set them up. This needs a procedure called ringing out and takes too long to type out so I'm not going to.. Again if you've set your mix up properly, you won't need one.

see what? you dont like it' date=' you are under no obligation to stay.....[/quote']

What's not to like? The chance to laugh lots at pompous statements liike yours? I shall add pompous to the next list of character defects.

Don't bother. Set your sound up properly and you'll never need one.

you know where the sign out button is

See????????

hi all this is my first post hear . i am from aberdeen music producer wrighter engineer singer .. i do it all i have been making music since i was 16 i am not 34 . i used to back a old aberdeen band called red clan back in the 80s and early 90s . have been making house and dance music hard trance and goa trance for meny years . and have got a large home studio in aberdeen . with lots of out board and midi stuff racks of it and a mackie 32/8/2 desk . i am looking for some one who is up for a jam with me and who is into dance music . or any one with a band need remixing i can do remixes . i also have pro tools . never remixed a band before its always been techno and trance stuff i have remixed . i can do this for free . any way if u fancy a jam or fancy getting your tunes remixed i can do it .. i would list my gear but i have to much to list

Welcome...and just remember...this is aberdeen music...the home of abuse, jealousy, envy, ignorance, hatred, zenophobia, musical retardedness, juvenile ranting and hypocrisy. Don't take the whinging fucks too seriously.

I just enjoy music - I don't have the ability to criticise the way other people do all I know is I liked it

Don't fret...no-one else on here does either.