hi beaker, how about I send you a demo of a song im working on right now (becuase trying the other tune first might be a bit too heavy going) that has er a more clear strucure (at least slightly) - but is still very soft, and if you give it a listen a couple of times so you get the jist of the changes, then we could meet at captain toms or the foyer (becuase i am lazy and dont feel liek carryign my amp anywhere) and play togther and see what happenes?