beeker

I'm up for 10 days' date=' could do with some excercise so I look hot for my holiday.[/quote']

if your name hadnt been Jenni i'd have suggested a few things you could have done for excercise, whilst being up.

Does she say she enjoys pregnancy?

more like enjoys hot meals.

big man says, your mingin. Gowan take yer face for a shite.

deco.. every time.

That's exactly what I'm doing. So many people want to grow-up too soon: going to pubs and clubs at 15' date=' learning to drive as soon as they're 17, deciding what they're gonna "be" before they've left school...All being well, I've over 50 years to be an adult, so forgive me if I cling to pre-adulthood a little bit longer.

But, you say your parents booted you out, so I guess you had no option, and you've done well for yourself. I'd like to think ,in such a situation, I'd have taken to busking on the cobbled streets of Old Europe, but...I'm just a dreamer. Which makes the point as to who is more radical a moot one, as it's a state of mind. The alternative to bourgeois life is bohemian life, but since we don't have a Latin Quarter and crumbling mansions waiting to be squatted in, this is impossible. So my approach is summed up thus:

"He said "you want to turn it on its head by staying in bed", I said "I know I do"[/quote']

sounds to me like you were born in the wrong decade. You'd rather be a squatting hippy than drive a car.

But in contrast to your statement of clinging to pre-adulthood you have followed the sheep to University..?

before we settle into the safe' date=' bourgeois mediocrity that will characterise most of the rest of our lives..[/quote']

speak for yourself mate - my love my life and woulnd't change it for anything!. NO wonder you're such a doom merchant if you think the rest of your life is going to be modiocre.

End it now and spare us looking after you on the dole in the future.

Alcohol is a recognised contributory factor to something like 20% of all violent crime BTW.

i see... fair doos then.

i do like a wee drink tho.

Try looking-up the overall stats on alcohol' date=' its primary & secondary casualties & its overall cost to society.

It knocks [b']all other drugs into the proverbial cocked-hat!

I can't really see an alcholholic burgling your house or jabbing you with a needle to get your new trainers. More likely to sing songs at you. But I'm sure it does have a severity of consequences as you mentioned.

Was it parked on double yellows?.. contest it:

http://www.thisisaberdeen.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=148760&command=displayContent&sourceNode=148586&contentPK=14160639&folderPk=85349

As htey didn't have permission - classic aberdeen council.

roll on march 26th...

could you argue that smoking is the wosrt drug as it is legalised and probably leads to use of harder drugs?..

But why should we (the majority) provide "hope for the future" for a junkie who' date=' sad as it may be, chose the slippery road to addiction with no encouragement from me?

There have been many points in my life where I would have liked some "hope for the future" what you get out of life relates directly to how much you put in.....if all some people are prepared to do is take, the givers will soon tire of it.[/quote']

I agree with helping those who want to be helped. If you dont want to be helped - may you reap what you sow. i don't believe in flogging a dead horse...

which is why I reserve more of my hatred for the people who peddle this sort of filth than those who are addicted. Some addicts are scum' date=' we all know that. Some need to be helped. There isn't a one-size fits all solution.

I agree with your point above. Grampian has the highest number of babies born with a drug addiction in the whole of Scotland.

having read your profile, it is clear we knew each other a while back as your brother was in my training squad at Aberdeen AAC.[/quote']

grr Aberdeen is too small.

I've just got a beef against junkies who turn to crime. People with 50 previous convictions you think people would get the hint that some people cannot be helped. Thats my argument i guess!

It all boils down to motivation. In prison there is no real hope until you're free again and a junkie needs a little hope for the future in order to kick the habit. Once a junkie want's top give up - it isn't as hard as you would think. Thats what they need - something to look forward to and a bit of love and compassion (call me a hippy if you like but you know I'm talking sense)

If you take away the drugs, would people with no motivation still turn to crime, them with motivation like 'normal' people get on with thier lives and do the 9 to 5 thing.

I think crime and drugs go hand in hand and not drugs and crime. if you see what i mean.

Crime leads to drugs , drugs does not necessarily lead to crime.

It never ceases to amaze me that the people who are regarded as socially deprived always seem to have money to buy fags' date=' special brew, and dope but cant afford carpets, cookers, school clothes for their kids or food.....now why is that?[/quote']

Exactly, take union street as an example. How many homeless joe's or janes do you see with mobile phones and fags. Whats that about? If i ever find the bastards who give dogs to these people i'll kick them in the scroats!. on a plus side, i bet they get lots of walks?!

back on topic though, i think more funding should be given at the root to avoid the end product discussed in detail here. Eliminate the root as opposed to dealing with the effects.

How on earth junkies can be deemed fit parents is unbelieveble. Maybe at that young an age foster homes may be ideal for a period.

People will turn into criminals no matter how they are brought up does not mean you can spot them at birth. Coming to that conclusion is purely for arguments sake.

I meant forced rehab while being locked up, not charity adided rehab wasting peoples time if you are just going to go out and re-offend. NO matter how much help some people get they will reject it and continue a life of crime as it is easier than working for a living.

there is no hope for some addicts i firmly belive some should just be forgotten about and dealt with by extreme measures i never said all - like i said before not shunning ALL addicts. As long as thjey only effect their own lives good luck to them.

you are becoming repetitive now and seem to try and turn the argument round to whichever point of view you can say is your own. You bore me with you sanctimonious drivel. enjoy your fluffy reality. I only hope you are never confronted by a re-offending junkie who takes away your human rights looking for his next fix. your opinion would change then. as it has many posters on this forum.

slater.

You're the one who is saying that there are people who are "born criminals"

I don't know every single criminal record of every single drug addict. I do' date=' however, have plenty of reports from NHS Grampian, Drugs Action and Grampian Police not to mention charities who deal with addicts and recovered addicts, which talk about people who used to engage in housebreaking, car theft and other forms of crime to feed addictions but are now cleaned up.

So, they don't deserve rehab (implying it is a reward) but they should receive it as a burden (implying it is a punishment) that makes hee-haw sense.

Essentially you are arguing the same point I have been making all along.

Drug addicts who commit crimes should be punished for their crimes.

Those who go to prison should be rehabilitated both inside and upon release.

Rehab should be offered to other drug addicts who have not committed crimes to feed their habits.

Those are the views I have been expressing all along. You now seem to accept that rehab should be given to addicts, after having initially said that there is no hope for some of them and we should turn our backs on them.[/quote']

I hate to break it to you Beaker but no-one ever got clean in jail - but thats probably a whole other thread!

i did think that as soon as i said it as I rememebr hearing news stories to that effect,,,

Yes' date=' exactly so if it doesn't matter how someone is brought up, then they are obviously destined to be criminals from the moment they are born. Therefore you will help us all out by pointing them out at birth and we can just shoot them.

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Deary me... are you asking this for real?

I notice you avoided answering the other question. So I will ask it again.

If what you say is true, and that those who commit crime to feed an addiction are beyond help then why are there plenty of rehabilitated drug addicts, many of whom DID commit crimes to feed their habits, now completely off drugs, not committing crimes and living normal lives?

Why weren't they beyond help?

Avoided like you avoided my other questions so i asked again, so i will respond.

You seem to have a great knowledge of the drugs.crime scene. Can you expand on the crimes committed? Petty - serious.

My point all aong has been that if someone commits a crime they don't deserve rehab, I just don't see the point - they should be locked up and forced to rehab in jail as an additional burden.

So why don't you join me and we'll go to the Maternity Unit tomorrow and you can demonstrate your ability to spot these criminals who have just been born?

What kind of a ridiculous statement is that, you know exactly what i meant after i backed it up with "no matter how thy are brought up".

contribute a valid argument or go back to your padded room.

Just because junkie A and junkie B whom I know to be reprehensible exist' date=' does not mean that junkie X and junkie Y will also be so.

And please don't assume that my family has never come into contact with drug related crime Marsh, it has but that doesn't mean I think that every drug addict should be shunned by society based on the criminal activities of others.[/quote']

No it is you who generalise junkies. NO ONE has said shun all the junkies, we are saying shun those who have let their habit affect the lives of others.

You still have not replied to my question about a junkie killing your mother, after he has had years of counselling and rehab opportunites.

Marsh - you are so spot on it's untrue.

A frankly disgusting statement' date=' but then that's kind of par for the course from you. You have shown an overwhelming hypocrisy in this thread from your different responses to myself and then to Bass Cadet, who has been candid about the problems she has faced and I admire her for that.

Earlier on you said:

And yet now you say:[/quote']

The more disgusting thing here is your apparent lack of sympathy for those affected by drug crimes. You'd much rather help the criminal.

No matter how you are brought up - some people will be criminals some people won't. Scary when you have to deal with the real workd isn't it.

Yes help is good, and as I have said through out this thread - i relate the beyond help to those who have turned to a life of crime and support their drug habbit by crime.

You are again - just picking holes in peoples statements but not actually contributing to the argument.

I tend to think that giving up is a sign of weakness' date=' a personality trait which you seem to abhor...[/quote']

i tend to think that flogging a dead horse is a waste of time and money. Which could be better spend helping those who find themselves in Bass cadets situation.

I think that if you removed all the illegal drugs from the market' date=' there would be a greater black market for prescription painkillers and the like. I think if someone wants to get high and forget then they will find a way - it's human nature. I personally think that alcoholism is a far bigger problem and think how many of those there would be without drugs!

Addiction can be a choice. An addict doesn't have nae problems when they have drugs - thats the attraction - not what the drugs make you feel like.[/quote']

Agreed, I see the point in helping everyone create a better life for themselves by going clean and will support any agencies that help people give up the habbit and put their lives back on track.

You still don't seem to have grasped the concept that not everyone in these circumstances will become a drug addict.

This ties into Neaubeatz' point about personality.

I agreed with his point on personality. just exactly what are you trying to point out? For the most part you just seem to pick up on things people say and try to pick holes in it.

You want to give help to everyone and make the world all fluffy and nice.

Newsflash - it's never going to be like that. there will still be people who commit crimes and blame it on the drugs addiction they have. Some people are beyond help - you dont seem to agree.

Well done for kicking the habit!. Glad it didn't lead you into crime.

Thought I'd chuck my 2 cents worth in. I work in the Dr's surgery in woodside and the doctors here prescribe methadone. I don't see what good it does' date=' replacing one addiction for an equally dangerous addiction seems stupid. There is another detox programme available which involves a reducing dose of Dihydracodiene, Temazepam & Zopiclone over 6 weeks. It seems to work ok but the drug using clients are very much in diffrent groups, the ones who want to give up, the ones who need something to take the edge off the craving till they next score, and the ones who want the meds to sell so they can score. The latter is not such a problem with daily dispense becoming an ever more popular prescribing practice.

I am not from a deprived area but I found myself on smack because, believe it or not, it was a better situation than the one I was in. I've been clean for a good few years now although I still get the cravings sometimes when things are tough. I pay my taxes, and I've never hurt anyone but myself so whats with all the 'kill all the junkies' talk. Life is a journey of self improvement but some of us start lower down the chain than others and it takes us a bit longer to get there.

I'd also like to point out that I live in the Multi's of Tillydrone and although you see junkies going about, I've never had any trouble/hassle from anyone in the 3 years I've been there.[/quote']