none of these bands are gothic, they just have a gothic look to them, on occasions anyway, just the way they tend to style themselves on occasions. HIM are love metal and the rasmus, well thats just a bitty pish in my opinion. One of those bands in the charts which everyone tends to like, and i dont know why ARGH! lol, i know...all you people probably hate me for slagging off music which most of you probably like,throughout the forums, so i apologise... but i need to tell you what i think, otherwise there'd be no point to it all