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[Lucky Rathen]

Calum, for the record, could you possibly remind me what club you support? Cos I don't think you've mentioned it yet.

What's that? Cloud's living in Poland?

[Carrots Gladstone]

Originally Posted by Lucky Rathen

Calum, for the record, could you possibly remind me what club you support? Cos I don't think you've mentioned it yet.

What's that? Cloud's living in Poland?

Jesus fuck. Have I said it that many times?

Rangers, through and through me.

[Original Spies]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

The analogy is ludicrous though. There is more money to be made in the EPL (or the Championship) so no team will ever wish to join the SPL from the EPL/Championship. It's perfectly fine that the OF want money, as does every other club. Sporting (at least in football) success in now inextricably linked to commercial success (unless the club becomes some billionaire's hobby). There is demand for "clubs with big stadiums" in small leagues to play in bigger, more lucrative leagues. An Atlantic league is unworkable for geographical reasons whereas Celtic going to England isn't much different from fans travelling around Germany or Japan or wherever (I totally disagree that English and Scottish clubs are essentially foreign). You're basically just saying that your opposition is based on xenophobia and protectionism masquerading as some sort of sporting purism (as is anyone's south of the Border, since there is a fair amount of money at stake...).

It's not an analogy. It's just turning the tables and asking how you, or any other follower of Scottish football would feel if English teams invaded their league. The comparison isn't about money to be made or whatever. It's about how SPL followers would feel about an English side challenging for their domestic honours. I'm certain it wouldn't sit well, just like I'm certain it's not going to sit well with English supporting football fans, like me. Come on. Think about it. if SPL was the domineering force in football over the EPL, and our skint, hopeless Man United and Chelsea were knocking on the door asking to play better, well paid football with the big boys across the border, you'd be telling them where to go in a shot. Scottish football fans would be having none of it, I predict.

Jumping ship to England is the SFA pretty much admitting that the SPL has a problem, and they haven't got the foggiest on how to fix it, or they are looking down on the EPL and thinking "sigh, their's is better". Their top flight makes no money, and by pushing their only hopes of success to another Football Association is as if the SFA have completly given up on sorting their own league out. I predict that if this switch did happen, there would be far less Scots playing for the old firm, and as a result, the SFA and even the national side could reap the consequences. Surely, as a result you would lose European slots and your seed in Europe, dropping the League Champion into the preliminary rounds of the qualifiers. It just looks like bad news all round for Scottish Football as a top flight.




I think what I'm mostly trying to say is, is that we don't want any fucking Huns in England. I guess we don't mind Celtic. But Rangers are like the Leeds United of Scotland. Nob'dy likes yer.

[Lucky Rathen]

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Jesus fuck. Have I said it that many times?

Rangers, through and through me.

No mate, you've hardly mentioned it.

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

We now have Kenny Miller for this.

EDIT: But the little ned always fucking scores against Celtic. Cunt.

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Ugo Ehiogu. Another cunt that scored against Celtic. With a spectacular overhead kick no less.

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

BBC SPORT | Football | Scottish Premier | Ref Thomson admits Old Firm error

Jesus. Just seen this - can't believe that wasn't given!

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | C | Celtic | Lawwell upbeat on Old Firm exit

The age old "Old Firm in the EPL" debate.

What's everyone think of this?

I'm a Celtic fan, and I think Celtic would do well out of this if it happened.

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

I actually agree with you, and I'm a Celtic fan.

From a selfish point of view, it would be good for Celtic.

[Original Spies]

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Celtic

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Celtic

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Celtic

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Celtic

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Celtic

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Celtic

I just wanted to join in.

[catnamedvirtue]

Berwick Rangers play in the Scottish leagues.

Gretna used to play in England.

Not as big a deal as the OF, but still...

[Lucky Rathen]

In fact I've got a picture of Carrots from that gig we played with the Underkills that time.

[Carrots Gladstone]

You promised never to post that pic on the internet.

Cunt.

[soundian]

I think if the OF fuck off to England then Scotland's euro co-efficient is going to swiftly drop to the level where representatives of far-east betting syndicates start turning up in Scottish airports clutching brown envelopes stuffed with cash.

[scottyboy]

Originally Posted by Original Spies

It's not an analogy. It's just turning the tables and asking how you, or any other follower of Scottish football would feel if English teams invaded their league. The comparison isn't about money to be made or whatever. It's about how SPL followers would feel about an English side challenging for their domestic honours. I'm certain it wouldn't sit well, just like I'm certain it's not going to sit well with English supporting football fans, like me. Come on. Think about it. if SPL was the domineering force in football over the EPL, and our skint, hopeless Man United and Chelsea were knocking on the door asking to play better, well paid football with the big boys across the border, you'd be telling them where to go in a shot. Scottish football fans would be having none of it, I predict.

Jumping ship to England is the SFA pretty much admitting that the SPL has a problem, and they haven't got the foggiest on how to fix it, or they are looking down on the EPL and thinking "sigh, their's is better". Their top flight makes no money, and by pushing their only hopes of success to another Football Association is as if the SFA have completly given up on sorting their own league out. I predict that if this switch did happen, there would be far less Scots playing for the old firm, and as a result, the SFA and even the national side could reap the consequences. Surely, as a result you would lose European slots and your seed in Europe, dropping the League Champion into the preliminary rounds of the qualifiers. It just looks like bad news all round for Scottish Football as a top flight.




I think what I'm mostly trying to say is, is that we don't want any fucking Huns in England. I guess we don't mind Celtic. But Rangers are like the Leeds United of Scotland. Nob'dy likes yer.

A comparison to a hypothetical situation in order to further your argument is, I'm pretty sure, an analogy but anyway... In principle I am fine with English teams competing in the Scottish league. One of the two horses already fills the ground with union jacks and Rule Britannia so I don't see what further damage Man United or West Brom could do.

It doesn't really matter whether the SPL would benefit or lose from Celtic/Rangers leaving. The fate -commercial, sporting or both- of other clubs in Scotland shouldn't be Celtic's problem. I would also trade a theoretical possibility of automatic CL qualification for a competitive division in a second, since Dundee United aren't likely to grab a CL spot with the OF in the way.

The SFA hasn't given any hint of support to Celtic's proposal. Again half the BBC article is about the SFA desperately trying to talk up the SPL and why Celtic should want to be part of it.