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[Jimmy Lucifer]

Originally Posted by Metal_Hamster

I'll easily say it to your face Seriously, meet me outside captian toms tomorow at 4o clock and I'll say to you I'm not very shy!!

Yeah anyway, Jeff is on his second warning and if he gets busted once more he gets sacked (again). I'm amazed that he got caught out. When you're getting a headlining push you'd think he'd be abit more clever. I guess not.

He didn't get sacked the first time, he walked out. It's ridiculous he'd even think about taking drugs when they're getting urine tests. Although I thought the revised Wellness Policy said that testing positive for weed led to a $1000 fine but no suspension? Maybe he's on crack. Weed is a gateway drug y'know...

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Lucifer

I sort of agree with you on the UFC thing. I don't really enjoy seeing people getting the living piss kicked out of them. But I don't really see how wrestling is exploitative. There's far more emphasis on entertainment than the violent side of things. I think 90% of the time wrestling is just pretty good fun. The other 10% is when they have midgets getting the shit kicked out them and thrown about a cage. Although that was actually quite good.

To be honest, I've never watched much of the WWF stuff and what I've seen looks like a lot of posing, tub-thumping and put-on deep voice bellowing with the odd 20-second interlude of actual action. So yeah, you're probably right that it's pure entertainment.

The older Big Daddy/Giant Haystacks era "You Grunt & I'll Groan" stuff was completely laughable!

As a former amateur boxer (15 years experience), I completely despise UFC and Cage Fighting.

Boxing, whilst having had more than it's share of brutal mismatches, is a very technical and strategic sport and requires a lot of discipline. UFC is a disgusting, ramshackle spectacle, where over-muscled, but glass-jawed psychopaths beat each other up, sometimes mercilessly while the other guy is lying helpless on the canvas.

And that's what I find exploitative.

IMHO

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Metal_Hamster

I'll easily say it to your face Seriously, meet me outside captian toms tomorow at 4o clock and I'll say to you I'm not very shy!!

Touche'

[Jimmy Lucifer]

Originally Posted by Diesel

To be honest, I've never watched much of the WWF stuff and what I've seen looks like a lot of posing, tub-thumping and put-on deep voice bellowing with the odd 20-second interlude of actual action. So yeah, you're probably right that it's pure entertainment.

The older Big Daddy/Giant Haystacks era "You Grunt & I'll Groan" stuff was completely laughable!

As a former amateur boxer (15 years experience), I completely despise UFC and Cage Fighting.

Boxing, whilst having had more than it's share of brutal mismatches, is a very technical and strategic sport and requires a lot of discipline. UFC is a disgusting, ramshackle spectacle, where over-muscled, but glass-jawed psychopaths beat each other up, sometimes mercilessly while the other guy is lying helpless on the canvas.

And that's what I find exploitative.

IMHO

Good point, well made. You should start watching WWE at the moment if you're a boxing fan. Floyd Mayweather vs. Big Show at Wrestlemania. Who've thunk it?

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Lucifer

Good point, well made. You should start watching WWE at the moment if you're a boxing fan. Floyd Mayweather vs. Big Show at Wrestlemania. Who've thunk it?

Mayweather is something special, really gifted. I had the pleasure of meeting his uncle, Jeff Mayweather (former Junior Lightweight champ) at a boxing award ceremony in London some years ago. Cool guy.

[Swingin' Ryan]

Originally Posted by Diesel

How can you get suspended from a completely choreographed fake sport?

Same ways you'd get yourself suspended from any other job!

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Diesel

As a former amateur boxer (15 years experience), I completely despise UFC and Cage Fighting.

Boxing, whilst having had more than it's share of brutal mismatches, is a very technical and strategic sport and requires a lot of discipline. UFC is a disgusting, ramshackle spectacle, where over-muscled, but glass-jawed psychopaths beat each other up, sometimes mercilessly while the other guy is lying helpless on the canvas.

UFC has actually improved a lot from the technical standpoint. The purchase of PRIDE and the greater number of more technical fighters has helped it a lot. I think you're impression of it comes from a lack of understanding of the sport.

It's certainly no worse than boxing for "brutal mismatches" with similar weight classifications for fighters.

I've never seen someone get beat up while lying helpless on the canvas, the fight will have been stopped long before that happens. As soon as you're unable to defend yourself the ref should jump in, and the big companies (UFC, PRIDE, K1) have very good referees who know what to look for.

Unless you're referring to someone in the guard position, in which case they're far from helpless.

[Captain America]

Originally Posted by Chris

UFC has actually improved a lot from the technical standpoint. The purchase of PRIDE and the greater number of more technical fighters has helped it a lot. I think you're impression of it comes from a lack of understanding of the sport.

It's certainly no worse than boxing for "brutal mismatches" with similar weight classifications for fighters.

I've never seen someone get beat up while lying helpless on the canvas, the fight will have been stopped long before that happens. As soon as you're unable to defend yourself the ref should jump in, and the big companies (UFC, PRIDE, K1) have very good referees who know what to look for.

Unless you're referring to someone in the guard position, in which case they're far from helpless.

Have to agree with Chris. Also UFC since it became like it is now, very technical with good matchups thanks to the purchase of rival fighting organisations, it is far more enjoyable to watch than boxing.

No one is helpless, as they wont get a match in the UFC unless they have a chance of winning, because no one wants to see a 5 second match of some jobber getting knocked out by one knee to the face.

[Lucky Rathen]

Jeff is in the ladder match at Mania - what are they going to do about that?

[Acey Trixx]

replace him. its all they can do really and given theres a new hardys dvd out soon im sure they arent very happy with him at the moment.