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Default Trident. Yay or nay? - 13-01-2008, 14:36

I just handed an anti-trident leaflet on the street, and it got me a-thinking. What do you make of the whole affair. Should we have nuclear weapons or not?

The woman on the leaflet writes "Defence should not be put before liberty and common sense", which strikes me as a slightly silly thing to say - surely defence and liberty are pretty closely linked? And self-defence strikes me as common sense. Hmm.
   
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Default 09-02-2008, 16:25

There is no need for the UK to have Nuclear Weapons.

Replacing Trident and building missile defence systems in the UK and Europe is a total waste of money and could start a new Cold War. It is immoral, illegal, expensive and useless.

There are far more useful things our government should be spending £76Billion on!

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There are far more useful things our government should be spending £76Billion on!
Aye! like giving the hooses and flats in Logie a fresh coat of paint!
   
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Default 09-02-2008, 17:38

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The Russians would just blow them up with a nuke anyway.
   
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Default 11-02-2008, 08:38

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There is no need for the UK to have Nuclear Weapons.

Replacing Trident and building missile defence systems in the UK and Europe is a total waste of money and could start a new Cold War. It is immoral, illegal, expensive and useless.

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why is replacing Trident illegal??
   
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why is replacing Trident illegal??

Haha, aye, that's what I was wondering...
   
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why is replacing Trident illegal??
Replacing Trident would breach customary international law, in particular because it would infringe the ‘intrangressible’ requirement that a distinction must be drawn between combatants and non-combatants.

If the envisaged use of force is itself unlawful, the stated readiness to use it would be a threat prohibited under Article 2, paragraph 4 of the UN Charter and that the replacement of Trident would be likely to constitute a material breach of article VI of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

If the UK develops its nuclear provision, it will be tearing-up the Non Proliferation Treaty, having abandoned any vestige of commitment to it. Where will that leave the prospect of negotiating away existing nuclear weapons? Where will that leave the prospect of persuading countries without nuclear weapons not to acquire them? How can we persuade Iran to respect the NPT when we do not?

The use, the threat of use, the planned replacement of Trident is illegal. The Scottish Parliament should take the opportunity today to send a clear message to Whitehall that Scotland respects the rule of law and expects Downing Street to do so also.
   
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Default 11-02-2008, 15:20

Bugger not having nuclear weapons. Not having some crazy leader trying to nuke us because we don't have any. Imagine how much of an easy target we'd be then.
   
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Default 11-02-2008, 15:26

I find the tropical flavour loses it's taste too quickly. And it's ruubbish for blowing bubbles.
   
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