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[Jake Wifebeater]

Yeah, let them carry on with their nazi garbage. They'd love to be able to be "political martyrs".

Ive seen this leaflet, an i think its disgusting that a party like that can exist today, and spread that kind of hatred an malice to people. Especialy as these ideals can be picked up by younger people and create more moronic fascist idealists. All this said i dont think cersoring them is a good idea as just like some others said it would jus martyr them and also restrict their freedom of speech. I just hope theres a good alternitive showing far less hatefull and problimatic views on politics and life, that will hopefully allow people to see how dumb the BMP are.

[Jimmygoodein]

bnp suck

[patrick boo]

...See the problem is there will be a certain number of people taken in by this - the BNP have fixed their beady little eyes on a new target - the Daily Mail reader. Having realised these twitchy, paranoid types are every bit as stupid as Sun readers (they just think they're not) they are mining a seam of self-serving nimby xenophophia which has rich pickings. Take this example... I was speaking to a perfectly normal, upstanding bloke last week about an episode where I asked one of the station staff at Queen St Station in Glasgow if I could board the train to Inverness yet. He said, 'it's already gone', and I said 'what's that then?'. pointing to the Inverness-bound train on the platform directly behind him. The bloke listened to the tale and said, "I bet he was an asylum seeker - they're taking over in Glasgow, getting all the jobs." I sighed heavily and went on my way.

The BNP are not a credible party. You could just about argue the point on clamping down on illegal immigrants from a neutral point of view due to the sheer cost of it, but not when such an extremist force are in charge.

Having said that, in banning them, you would only contrive to glorify them. Ignorance is the best form of protest, not hostility.

[Lester Burnham]

Originally posted by patrick boo:
...See the problem is there will be a certain number of people taken in by this - the BNP have fixed their beady little eyes on a new target - the Daily Mail reader. Having realised these twitchy, paranoid types are every bit as stupid as Sun readers (they just think they're not) they are mining a seam of self-serving nimby xenophophia which has rich pickings. Take this example... I was speaking to a perfectly normal, upstanding bloke last week about an episode where I asked one of the station staff at Queen St Station in Glasgow if I could board the train to Inverness yet. He said, 'it's already gone', and I said 'what's that then?'. pointing to the Inverness-bound train on the platform directly behind him. The bloke listened to the tale and said, "I bet he was an asylum seeker - they're taking over in Glasgow, getting all the jobs." I sighed heavily and went on my way.

*hisses*

I read the Daily Mail and I still think the BNP are a bunch of arrogant self absorbed fuck wits.

Does this mean I lack all intelligence? I must apolgise for the fact that I can't understand socialist values (We want everything but aren't prepared to work for anything) and high tax. But believe it or not, I do have a heart and think if we're going to blow up a country we should sort out the innocent people who are the victims with a reasonable place to stay.

It's only manners after all. They taught me that at finishing school.

However, what I do moan about is when our own country is in dire states that foreigner's get preferable treatment to our own. I don't agree with victimisation, I believe in equal rights etc, but I do think that people who enter a foreign country should respect that countries way of living. Besides, half the foreigners that come in to this country are far more willing to work for a living that half the sponge, leaches to society that live in in grey britain today. So maybe they do deserve the jobs more than some brits. It's all of matter of who is willing to do it.

And yes, I still read the Daily Mail.

[jimr]

Originally posted by Lester Burnham:
*hisses*

I read the Daily Mail and I still think the BNP are a bunch of arrogant self absorbed fuck wits.

Does this mean I lack all intelligence? I must apolgise for the fact that I can't understand socialist values (We want everything but aren't prepared to work for anything) and high tax. But believe it or not, I do have a heart and think if we're going to blow up a country we should sort out the innocent people who are the victims with a reasonable place to stay.

It's only manners after all. They taught me that at finishing school.

However, what I do moan about is when our own country is in dire states that foreigner's get preferable treatment to our own. I don't agree with victimisation, I believe in equal rights etc, but I do think that people who enter a foreign country should respect that countries way of living. Besides, half the foreigners that come in to this country are far more willing to work for a living that half the sponge, leaches to society that live in in grey britain today. So maybe they do deserve the jobs more than some brits. It's all of matter of who is willing to do it.

And yes, I still read the Daily Mail.

Ask any economics student what would happen if we forced all of the illegal immigrants out of the country.

Contary to popular belief we are not some sort of supreme being. All that we have, we have stolen or exploited from someone else. This is not evil, it is just how man has behaved since he realised that if you are bigger and stronger than some poor sod who has something you want, you can beat him round the head and take it. This is not to say that we are bound by this primal instinct. If we can change attitudes about women, about gays, about slavery, then we can change attitudes about how we treat each other.

As for "respecting how people live" thats a bit petty surely. We are pretty good at respecting those arabs. We love going to other countries and bringing them lovely things like democracy and firebombing. We love respecting the Spanish way of life, building small English colonies in andulusia, not even bothering to learn the language. If you applied the rules you are setting for these immigrants, to all the brittish workers based outside the UK, we would find a lot of oil workers, and engineers suddenly out of a job.

We love to give but we don't much like taking. We see the advantages of sending out workers to leach off of other economies, but we also see the disadvantages of letting others do that to us. We're clever people us brits, who wants disadvantages, eh? How about we sod everyone else and just look after number 1. This is obviously the position that most governments tend to find themselves in, and while they preach "equality" they know fine well that if there was any sort of equality, and every country still held tight to their selfish policies, we would be utterly screwed. Fortunatly for us, we see the down side of equality, and we don't much like down sides.

I generally enjoy reading most of your posts, but if we're going to talk politics don't dismiss ideologies in the stereotypical way in which you dismissed socialism. I couldn't give you a one sentance description of neo-liberalism, so don't spout meaningless rightwing slogans to attempt to justify your political position. If your going to criticize something, I suggest you learn about it first.

I must apolgise for the fact that I can't understand socialist values (We want everything but aren't prepared to work for anything) and high tax.

Socialists want everyone to have equal rights and justice. Its nothing to do with work or tax.

[Lester Burnham]

Originally posted by jimr:[b]
Ask any economics student what would happen if we forced all of the illegal immigrants out of the country.

I never said we should...

As for "respecting how people live" thats a bit petty surely. We are pretty good at respecting those arabs. We love going to other countries and bringing them lovely things like democracy and firebombing. We love respecting the Spanish way of life, building small English colonies in andulusia, not even bothering to learn the language. If you applied the rules you are setting for these immigrants, to all the brittish workers based outside the UK, we would find a lot of oil workers, and engineers suddenly out of a job.

I was merely making reference to adaption to new habitats... e.g: in some arab countries, if say for example I were to visit. I would have to cover my skin so as not to cause offence. I have no problem with that.

Incidences of immigrants - and this certainly isn't restricted to immigrants, I'm sure some brits do it as well - being treated in the NHS have shown that some (and I'm sure this is a rare occurance) have refused to be treated by say for example... a Jewish doctor. These are the incidences I was making reference to. We don't have a "choose your doctor" service so I think (and as it is also free) they are maybe unjust in their demands.

I generally enjoy reading most of your posts, but if we're going to talk politics don't dismiss ideologies in the stereotypical way in which you dismissed socialism. I couldn't give you a one sentance description of neo-liberalism, so don't spout meaningless rightwing slogans to attempt to justify your political position. If your going to criticize something, I suggest you learn about it first.

In refrence to this... I was taking the piss out of Mr Boo's stereotypes of the Daily Mail reader, as they did offend me slightly. I agree with you in that people can't be pigeon-holed that easily.

As for Socialism, it seems to me to revolve around the factor of money (as most issues do) and the idea if you're on the other side of the fence... say for example you earn above the 50k tax bracket that all policies revolving around Socialist political parties have you utterly screwed.

That's what I can't understand... if it's for equality and for "the people" why screw over people so badly?

[Lester Burnham]

Originally posted by Dag'n'Mandy:
Socialists want everyone to have equal rights and justice. Its nothing to do with work or tax.

I would like everyone to have equal rights and justice, but how do they propose to achieve this?