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[idol_wild]

Originally Posted by Limeworld

Now that I think about it tiger tiger got in touch with one of our staff about us putting on their band nights, But this was maybe 2/3 months ago.

It will be decent having a venue of almost same size as moshulu in aberdeen accepting indie bands.

I'm absolutely not having a go at you here; I'm merely quoting this as it represents one existing point of view.

But I'm thinking that Aberdeen actually needs one or two much smaller venues and I am wondering if this may spark some sort of discussion. Personally, I think this city would benefit massively from a venue with a capacity of 80-120 with a respectable PA system and a good sound engineer and no obstacles being placed upon independent promoters, bands and DJs. I think almost everyone would agree that having, say, 100 people in a 120 capacity venue is better than 150 in a 300 capacity venue.

This Tiger Tiger thing, to me, just reeks of absolute failure. Liquid tried exactly the same thing about a year ago and it fell flat on it's face before you could complete the sentence "this is actually a stupid and terrible idea." I don't necessarily mean to be negative about this particular proposal, but there is already Drummonds, The Tunnels (with two rooms!), The Lemon Tree and Moshulu - all ranging between capacities of around 300 and 750 (approximately - I'm sure a pedant or someone in the know will be keen to correct me on that front) who are all very keen to put on local indie bands. And do Tiger Tiger seriously expect a lot of people to turn up to these gigs? Local indie bands don't get big crowds at any other venue, so why would it change in Tiger Tiger? I wish the idea well and hope that it does succeed, of course.

If only Cellar 35 was more suitably situated and possessed a good sound system. Maybe Origin should put itself out there a bit more for gigs?

I'm not trying to be negative here - just putting across a point of view and I hope to generate a discussion.

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Originally Posted by idol_wild

I'm absolutely not having a go at you here; I'm merely quoting this as it represents one existing point of view.

But I'm thinking that Aberdeen actually needs one or two much smaller venues and I am wondering if this may spark some sort of discussion. Personally, I think this city would benefit massively from a venue with a capacity of 80-120 with a respectable PA system and a good sound engineer and no obstacles being placed upon independent promoters, bands and DJs. I think almost everyone would agree that having, say, 100 people in a 120 capacity venue is better than 150 in a 300 capacity venue.

This Tiger Tiger thing, to me, just reeks of absolute failure. Liquid tried exactly the same thing about a year ago and it fell flat on it's face before you could complete the sentence "this is actually a stupid and terrible idea." I don't necessarily mean to be negative about this particular proposal, but there is already Drummonds, The Tunnels (with two rooms!), The Lemon Tree and Moshulu - all ranging between capacities of around 300 and 750 (approximately - I'm sure a pedant or someone in the know will be keen to correct me on that front) who are all very keen to put on local indie bands. And do Tiger Tiger seriously expect a lot of people to turn up to these gigs? Local indie bands don't get big crowds at any other venue, so why would it change in Tiger Tiger? I wish the idea well and hope that it does succeed, of course.

If only Cellar 35 was more suitably situated and possessed a good sound system. Maybe Origin should put itself out there a bit more for gigs?

I'm not trying to be negative here - just putting across a point of view and I hope to generate a discussion.

nope, totally agree with you. Aberdeen misses a Dr. Drakes (which is a shame because if it was open now, it would probably stay). Aberdeen does need a few smaller venues and a few better bands

[kirkt]

I know what you mean. Cellar 35 isn't very realistic for putting on certain bands when you need 60-70 to break even but it sucks playing to a room that looks empty. Plus, for for GFN that appeals to a very tiny audience, it's almost impossible to get a weekend at The Tunnels. We'd previously use East Neuk but theyve stopped doing gigs. Plus it was a hellhole.

I've got to agree with Phil here.

I wish Tiger Tiger every success with this venture, and hope they can pull it off, but as Phil says the local bands (on the whole) struggle to pull decent crowds. If you get about 50 folk to come specifically to see your band I'd say you're doing quite well, so if you get 4 bands that pull 50 each you're only at 200, and 200 in a 500 capacity venue looks a little empty really.

I'd personally rather play in a tiny venue that was full than a massive one which was half empty.

Off the top of my head, I think the Aberdeen venue capacities are this (well, what I've been told by each venue anyway):

Moshulu - 650
Lemon Tree - 600
Tunnel 1 - 360
Drummonds - 350
Tunnel 2 - 350 (?)
Snafu - 350
Moorings - 180 (?)
Cellar 35 - 80

A couple of much smaller venues would work much better than another massive venue, but like I say, I really hope I'm proved wrong.

I think it's a real shame that Malt Mill ripped out their PA system - it's 150 capacity, and with a decent PA system in place would be a good place for a gig. I put on a fundraiser there last year, with a hired PA which turned out be totally garbage, but it was still a good night, and we sold all the tickets, so it was completely packed. I'm considering doing more gigs there to be honest, just with a decent PA instead of the bucket of shit we got last time. The venue is free to hire, so I'm sure they'd be happy with 50+ folk coming in and buying their beer etc.

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I agree with Phil.

I see where you're going with this one...

[Skacel]

any chance of resurrecting dr drakes then?

[kingofdeon]

We played Liquid once and it was fucking brilliant....random but yet rammed. Thursday night but they looked after us well and the students were loving it.

I think Tiger would work initially as people go to Tiger Tiger regardless what is on, people don't just "go" to the Tunnels IMO - they usually go for the actual gig or the clubnight.

If the crowds get less and less i could see Tiger pulling the plug pretty quickly however they have good money to put behind it i would imagine and it at least deserves a chance....(specially on the 29th of May !!!)

I agree with Phil for the most part but for bands like ourselves, we have more chance of getting people to Tiger Tiger than we do say Tunnels or Cellar 35. Just our "demograph" i suppose. However i think an acoustic set in the VIP in Tiger would be pretty cool.

Hope it works out as it seems Tunker is doing alot of work to get this up and running...

[Limeworld]

Originally Posted by idol_wild

I'm absolutely not having a go at you here; I'm merely quoting this as it represents one existing point of view.

But I'm thinking that Aberdeen actually needs one or two much smaller venues and I am wondering if this may spark some sort of discussion. Personally, I think this city would benefit massively from a venue with a capacity of 80-120 with a respectable PA system and a good sound engineer and no obstacles being placed upon independent promoters, bands and DJs. I think almost everyone would agree that having, say, 100 people in a 120 capacity venue is better than 150 in a 300 capacity venue.

This Tiger Tiger thing, to me, just reeks of absolute failure. Liquid tried exactly the same thing about a year ago and it fell flat on it's face before you could complete the sentence "this is actually a stupid and terrible idea." I don't necessarily mean to be negative about this particular proposal, but there is already Drummonds, The Tunnels (with two rooms!), The Lemon Tree and Moshulu - all ranging between capacities of around 300 and 750 (approximately - I'm sure a pedant or someone in the know will be keen to correct me on that front) who are all very keen to put on local indie bands. And do Tiger Tiger seriously expect a lot of people to turn up to these gigs? Local indie bands don't get big crowds at any other venue, so why would it change in Tiger Tiger? I wish the idea well and hope that it does succeed, of course.

If only Cellar 35 was more suitably situated and possessed a good sound system. Maybe Origin should put itself out there a bit more for gigs?

I'm not trying to be negative here - just putting across a point of view and I hope to generate a discussion.

Yeh I completely agree with another smaller venue like cellar 35.

I think you would rather play a sell-out cellar 35 than 100 people at moshulu.

If you are a smaller band starting up and cant get support with a larger band then you are never going to get a spot in tiger or moshulu.

Is it just me or would you say tiger tiger has more of an electro / DJ feel than indie bands?

[kingofdeon]

Originally Posted by Limeworld

Yeh I completely agree with another smaller venue like cellar 35.

I think you would rather play a sell-out cellar 35 than 100 people at moshulu.

If you are a smaller band starting up and cant get support with a larger band then you are never going to get a spot in tiger or moshulu.

Is it just me or would you say tiger tiger has more of an electro / DJ feel than indie bands?

Its just pop music i'd say with old "skool" dance....with your odd Killers tune!

[Limeworld]

As long as tiger tiger can lose the bad press / reputation after the stabbings etc