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[pogofish]

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

Defamation is only defamation when it's not true. So if the business isn't doing their upmost to protect it's punters then they damn well deserve to get slated on a public website. It's called business. If they don't deliver, they don't get the punters money. Simple as.

I can very well believe that this stuff is going on, I've never witnessed it, but I hardly think that there's a group of people that have gotten together and said lets tell lies about exodus. If people think they have been treated badly at Exodus, they have every right to say so, without this stupid defamation crap.

Fine & very true - It is the proving of it & doing so on this this board that concerns me. Fighting an action costs a shedload of money & hassle. It wouldn't be the first time that some absolutely culpable organisation (eg Robert Maxwell, Scientology UK) has effectively stifled just this sort of discussion by simply using threats of action against those who can't afford/be up-to fighting it.

Originally Posted by Paulscoconutass

They must have been in a really fowl mood on Saturday. Got myself a shiny month ban because one of the - usually cool - bouncers was being really obnoxious and wouldn't let me in to give my sister her jacket. After 15 minutes of bartering when the club had closed I punched the massive wooden door in a bewilderment and frustration; I was subsequently grabbed and shouted at.

Yas Min.

Go to Star and Garter dont pass go

Originally Posted by reject_monkey

petition to get them to put up more cctv?

OMG the Emmerdale OAP Brigade STRIKES!!!1!!!! lolz\

[pogofish]

Originally Posted by reject_monkey

petition to get them to put up more cctv?

Not entirely convinced that is the answer?

Although I recognise its value after the fact, in some situations, the overall concept appalls me. I'd rather see some proper & professional standards of conduct & management being applied to stop it happening in the first place.

[Gumpy]

Originally Posted by reject_monkey

petition to get them to put up more cctv?

there is perfectly good cctv camera's situated all around the premises. Anything that happens in the club,in the stairway, at the doors is all well documented

[Tubthumper]

Originally Posted by Gumpy

there is perfectly good cctv camera's situated all around the premises. Anything that happens in the club,in the stairway, at the doors is all well documented

It's all very well having CCTV, but it's no use if it's not being used to punish these bouncers for their heavy-handedness.

[pogofish]

If that is the case, anyone with cause to complain in the last 30 days should get-in a written request for any footage to be at least held as "questioned." Write to the management/company data controller & IIRC, you only need to be accurate to @30mins each way for the time concerned.

Unless the police are involved & have questioned the footage themselves, if you get any sort of refusal, fobbing-off or are told that the footage has been "lost" in some way, that in itself is a serious matter & worthy of a complaint to the Information Commisioner.

Applications to view the footage - you won't normally get a copy unless legal action is in progress. Are normally subject to a £10 fee but IIRC, questioning itself, without viewing should not cost at all.

Full info & guidelines here:

Scottish Information Commissioner | Webpage

The site may be slanted towards public-bodies but the basics still apply to both public & private concerns.

[Metarie]

Originally Posted by reject_monkey

petition to get them to put up more cctv?

Exactly what I was going to say. Surely dragging someone down the stairs by their hair/neck is assult in *any* context. I understand bouncers are allowed to use reasonable force, but I can't think of many circumstances where possible spinal injuries really qualify as 'reasonable'.

I think the problem is inconsistancy. I've been at Exo with my boyfriend and gone out to smoke having been there half an hour at most and not been allowed back in because apparently we're too drunk. We waited til the bouncer has swapped posts with someone and had no problems getting back in with different door staff.

Another point about Exodus: I'm never there at the weekend so I don't know if there is actually a cloakroom or not, but why isn't there one midweek? Surely it's busy enough to warrent it and there's nowhere to leave jackets safely in that place.

[pogofish]

Originally Posted by Singingstarfish

Exactly what I was going to say. Surely dragging someone down the stairs by their hair/neck is assult in *any* context. I understand bouncers are allowed to use reasonable force, but I can't think of many circumstances where possible spinal injuries really qualify as 'reasonable'.

There lies the problem. You can have the best CCTV system on earth but if management is not paying attention to it or don't have their own folk on the floor, to try & monitor the potential other sides/implications of the situation, its effectiveness is somewhat limited.

If what Gumby says is so, it looks like they already have a reasonably useful tool at their disposal, which could be better used?

[Lester Burnham]

Originally Posted by psydoll

Betamax?

Hahaha.

No, he's not a bouncer. He works during the daylight hours down the road from me.