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[Jim Stax]

Originally Posted by spellchecker

well.....




however it was very informatively and concisely put!

Most giggle worthy post in some time

[remington blastcap]

Originally Posted by Dave

File under "Too fucking easy".

Please mind the trolls, Lemon Tree people.

i'd say the same about your post. but debate isn't your strong point. the folk who followed on from me were a deal more eloquent than me, but the point remains- why bail out a sinking ship if you dont find out why its sinking. pouring more money in is daft- and my point about staff attitude is valid- the place was shit for rock gigs, so i along with other CUSTOMERS voted with our feet. dont take it personally, the sound was also crap- but the sound is crap in drummonds and i still go there- better atmosphere- a real good "venue".
i just got the impression on the times i went to the Holy sainted tree that rock gigs, the bands and audience members were "tolerated"-
which is odd because i was paying to get in.


it might be a good idea to get the staff together with Gordon Ramsay and let him sort the wheat from the chaff, and the usefull from the cunts.


actually this is great for the tunnels,
which got the venue thing right for a change.
i'm really surprised the place was nae bailed out again, given the councils complete lack of business acumen.



peace,

Originally Posted by remington blastcap

i'd say the same about your post. but debate isn't your strong point. the folk who followed on from me were a deal more eloquent than me, but the point remains- why bail out a sinking ship if you dont find out why its sinking. pouring more money in is daft- and my point about staff attitude is valid- the place was shit for rock gigs, so i along with other CUSTOMERS voted with our feet. dont take it personally, the sound was also crap- but the sound is crap in drummonds and i still go there- better atmosphere- a real good "venue".
i just got the impression on the times i went to the Holy sainted tree that rock gigs, the bands and audience members were "tolerated"-
which is odd because i was paying to get in.


it might be a good idea to get the staff together with Gordon Ramsay and let him sort the wheat from the chaff, and the usefull from the cunts.


actually this is great for the tunnels,
which got the venue thing right for a change.
i'm really surprised the place was nae bailed out again, given the councils complete lack of business acumen.



peace,

I agree with this post all apart from the tunnels getting it right, more techno underground and extreme music is needed how about a night somewhere dedicated to gabber

[Dave]

Originally Posted by remington blastcap

i'd say the same about your post. but debate isn't your strong point.the folk who followed on from me were a deal more eloquent than me, but the point remains- why bail out a sinking ship if you dont find out why its sinking. pouring more money in is daft- and my point about staff attitude is valid- the place was shit for rock gigs, so i along with other CUSTOMERS voted with our feet. dont take it personally, the sound was also crap- but the sound is crap in drummonds and i still go there- better atmosphere- a real good "venue".
i just got the impression on the times i went to the Holy sainted tree that rock gigs, the bands and audience members were "tolerated"-
which is odd because i was paying to get in.

OK, I'll bite.

I think you must have been going to a different Lemon Tree than me. For my money, the sound, atmosphere and service in the Lemon Tree was far superior to any other venue in Aberdeen. For someone in the music scene in Aberdeen to claim they're "glad" the place closed down is sheer folly. It smacks of ignorance and personal prejudice against the people who ran it to me.

I would never support bailing out the Lemon Tree in its present form, if it's going to carry on as a venue it has to at least break even, and if they want to carry on the community projects they play host to those should be paid for out of the profits the venue generates, and not subsidised by grants and loans that end up costing them far more than the initial investment provided.

If the Lemon Tree was run primarily as a venue (which is what most of the people on here, and in Aberdeen in general used it for) it would absolutely annihilate the Tunnels, Drummonds and Moshulu. I know there are many bands and artists, whether established or up-and-coming, who would much rather play there than anywhere else in Scotland. The gigs were often well attended and of the highest quality, and the sense of occasion and the setting in which the artists could perform was pleasing for both performer and customer alike.

Obviously there are those that prefer their gigs down n' dirty, and maybe the Lemon Tree wasn't totally conducive to that kind of thing, but there's a hell of a lot more to music than just "rock", and to be honest it could survive quite comfortably without putting on the likes of Napalm Death etc. There's a whole scene out there encompassing folk, country, jazz, blues, soul, indie and electronica that is feel the loss of the Lemon Tree much more keenly than those who just want to get pissed and mosh.

Originally Posted by remington blastcap

actually this is great for the tunnels,
which got the venue thing right for a change.

The people at the Tunnels are fantastic, dedicated, knowledgeable and a credit to the music community. They've done a great job attempting to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but the sooner they find a decent space to move into and rid themselves of the cement-mixer that is the architectural legacy to the sound team there the better. The fact I've been advised by staff to wear earplugs while standing twenty feet away from the stage is only the least of the concerns I have about the place. It's ugly, it's soulless, it's claustrophobic and there isn't a decent place to sit down in the entire place. You have the choice of being deafened or obstructed, and neither is particularly pleasant.

Now, if the Tunnels people were to take on the Lemon Tree...

[Bigsby]

I still haven't heard what the 150 grand is for, can anybody tell me?

Not having a go or taking sides, I genuinely would like to know.

[daveofficer]

Originally Posted by Dave

The people at the Tunnels are fantastic, dedicated, knowledgeable and a credit to the music community. They've done a great job attempting to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but the sooner they find a decent space to move into and rid themselves of the cement-mixer that is the architectural legacy to the sound team there the better. The fact I've been advised by staff to wear earplugs while standing twenty feet away from the stage is only the least of the concerns I have about the place. It's ugly, it's soulless, it's claustrophobic and there isn't a decent place to sit down in the entire place. You have the choice of being deafened or obstructed, and neither is particularly pleasant.

Now, if the Tunnels people were to take on the Lemon Tree...

couldn't agree less(apart from your first sentence obviously). there's certainly less obstructions than in the lemon tree. no horrid pillars for a start and it's just the right size for what they put on. i've found the tunnels to have far more atmosphere for gigs than most lemon tree ones, particularly those which aren't well attended. it's all subjective i guess.

[blackisler]

The website now says

WEDNESDAY 19th DECEMBER 2007


WE HAVE RAISED A TOTAL OF £9,742.95 -
£6,242.95 IN CASH AND £3,500 IN PLEDGES


THANK YOU FOR YOUR GENEROSITY


WE WILL ISSUE A STATEMENT ON THURSDAY 20TH DECEMBER 2007

[Alkaline]

Originally Posted by daveofficer

couldn't agree less(apart from your first sentence obviously). there's certainly less obstructions than in the lemon tree. no horrid pillars for a start and it's just the right size for what they put on. i've found the tunnels to have far more atmosphere for gigs than most lemon tree ones, particularly those which aren't well attended. it's all subjective i guess.

Agreed 100%. I love the Tunnels as a venue. I love the fact that it can still appear intimate and personal even when it's full to the brim.

I liked the Lemon Tree too, certainly to play, but i also went to some great gigs there (Cinematic Orchestra, Bloc Party, Sons And Daughters to name but a few). The sound was good and the engineers very accommodating. Marj was great as well, she was always nice to me anyway and nodded a "hi" every time she saw me.

Recently i found myself not wanting to go there though largely due to the disproportionate cost of tickets for gigs and also due to the slightly OTT bar prices.

It's a shame that the staff lost their jobs just before christmas but surely (and i don't want this to come across as raining on people parade by any means) any attempts at saving the Lemon Tree are like flogging a dead horse? If it's not working, it's not working. Change can be good. Maybe it'll open up a bit of interest in other areas/venues.

I'm also very skeptical about what's going to happen to the money that's being raised at the moment.

[Teabags]

Drakes > Lemon Tree. Fact.

[Bigsby]

Originally Posted by blackisler

The website now says

WEDNESDAY 19th DECEMBER 2007


WE HAVE RAISED A TOTAL OF £9,742.95 -
£6,242.95 IN CASH AND £3,500 IN PLEDGES


THANK YOU FOR YOUR GENEROSITY


WE WILL ISSUE A STATEMENT ON THURSDAY 20TH DECEMBER 2007

Only £140,000 to go then.