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[Dave]

Originally Posted by remington blastcap

who gives a shit, the place was a joke. if somewhere's not making money it deserves to close, see drakes- exept drakes was worth keeping. some of the worst gigs i have attended have been at the lemon tree, and dont get me started on the attitude of the staff. terrible. i'm glad the place sank. good riddance.

File under "Too fucking easy".

Please mind the trolls, Lemon Tree people.

[spellchecker]

Originally Posted by Dave

File under "Too fucking easy".

Please mind the trolls, Lemon Tree people.

Why, because it hurts to hear it? I maybe wouldn't have said it quite like that, and the only staff that ever bothered me were the "security", but he has a point. Maybe it's time there was a gap in the market to let the interested parties re-assess, re-group and reform. And do it properly. At best the Lemon Tree & staff deserves some sympathy and some good old nostalgia, it sure as hell doesn't deserve more people putting more money into their pockets. They've been doing that long enough.

Meritocracy.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by spellchecker

Why, because it hurts to hear it? I maybe wouldn't have said it quite like that, and the only staff that ever bothered me were the "security", but he has a point. Maybe it's time there was a gap in the market to let the interested parties re-assess, re-group and reform. And do it properly. At best the Lemon Tree & staff deserves some sympathy and some good old nostalgia, it sure as hell doesn't deserve more people putting more money into their pockets. They've been doing that long enough.

Hear, hear. They got a second chance in 2004 and obviously couldn't turn things round since so why should more tax-payers money be put into The Lemon Tree?

I still haven't seen or heard any explanation of why they need to raise £150k and exactly what this money is going to be used for by the way.

[lowball]

Originally Posted by Neil

Hear, hear. They got a second chance in 2004 and obviously couldn't turn things round since so why should more tax-payers money be put into The Lemon Tree?

I still haven't seen or heard any explanation of why they need to raise £150k and exactly what this money is going to be used for by the way.

For the person who is supposedly in favour of the live music scene in Aberdeen your credibility just went down the pan through your totally ignorant post. Should you & lots of people be asking questions about the MULTI millions of tax payers money the council have ploughed into the AECC (£20m+ I am led to believe)

Because of ths overlooked council folly, the council has larger than expected deficit & The Lemon Tree is obviously one of many smaller victims of this financial folly. At least The Lemon Tree covered the provision of arts & music for ALL the community.

[Jim Stax]

Originally Posted by lowball

For the person who is supposedly in favour of the live music scene in Aberdeen your credibility just went down the pan through your totally ignorant post. Should you & lots of people be asking questions about the MULTI millions of tax payers money the council have ploughed into the AECC (£20m+ I am led to believe)

Because of ths overlooked council folly, the council has larger than expected deficit & The Lemon Tree is obviously one of many smaller victims of this financial folly. At least The Lemon Tree covered the provision of arts & music for ALL the community.

Asking straight forward and honest questions in relation to the business of public money, or otherwise, doesn't for one minute suggest that someone has little interest in the music scene. I for one don't want to see money, especially money given in good-will, be misused or wasted. I and others have stated elsewhere our concerns and these concerns are born of a genuine interest in the music and arts scene in Aberdeen. Not disrespecting anyones efforts in the slihgthest and I applaud those trying (damn hard). If holes are going to be plugged then I hope they are once and for all plugged for good and not taped over. It seems that anyone that raises questions about the LT's percieved mis-management by those in charge, council included, are seen to be anti Aberdeen arts and Music. Far from it! Reality has to play a part and common sense should prevail.

And again for anyone trying to read between these lines. I am a firm and signed up, long in the tooth, supporter of all things cultural in Aberdeen and I truly hope that something positive comes of the LT shennanigans, 'in whatever form'!

Jim

[Old Gold]

Originally Posted by lowball

For the person who is supposedly in favour of the live music scene in Aberdeen your credibility just went down the pan through your totally ignorant post. Should you & lots of people be asking questions about the MULTI millions of tax payers money the council have ploughed into the AECC (£20m+ I am led to believe)

It's anything but ignorant! He's asking perfectly valid questions. Nobody has said plainly and clearly what the pan is for this marvelous 150 thousand that is being raised. It's just taken as an excuse to try and blackball people to make others feel guilty about not supporting the cause, it seems.

Personally, I have an issue with this tactic, and also the frankly rude methods which some of the StLT people are using to collect signatures and donations.

I'd like to see the place saved, but I'd prefer it if folks like lowball were a little less aggressive. It's not motivating anyone.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by lowball

For the person who is supposedly in favour of the live music scene in Aberdeen your credibility just went down the pan through your totally ignorant post. Should you & lots of people be asking questions about the MULTI millions of tax payers money the council have ploughed into the AECC (£20m+ I am led to believe)

Because of ths overlooked council folly, the council has larger than expected deficit & The Lemon Tree is obviously one of many smaller victims of this financial folly. At least The Lemon Tree covered the provision of arts & music for ALL the community.

Thanks for answering none of my questions.

And for what it's worth the last gig I went to in Aberdeen was at the AECC, not The Lemon Tree. Funny that.

[stuartmaxwell]

lol lol lol

the aecc is a lot more than a half used gig venue

it is a major centre for economic development for aberdeen, grampian and surrounding areas
it ensures that your beloved airport is as busy as it is
it employs over 400-500 staff
a serious amount of deals are brokered because you have a facility like that in your city
a serious amount of business' relocates or expands into aberdeen because you have a facility like that which caters for the type of business they want to sell to (i.e. north sea)
it is home to offshore europe which contributes a MASSIVE amount of money to the economy
it hosts a wide range of family events throughout the year

the aecc also took heed when they got bailed out, and (from what I have been informed) they are doing pretty well to reduce the losses year on year

the lemon tree is something that is good for the city too, but not in its current state or the state is has been for years.

the current save the lemon tree campaign is an erattic reaction that is stimulated by the emotional ties to the place, without really looking at the situation in a calm, logical manner. The whole scenario is the equivalent of rubbing ice cubes on a hot surface; it slightly cools for a short while, makes a bloody mess then dries away never to be seen again

a long term strategy is needed, not a short term one

[unbroken]

Originally Posted by stuartmaxwell

lol lol lol

the aecc is a lot more than a half used gig venue

it is a major centre for economic development for aberdeen, grampian and surrounding areas
it ensures that your beloved airport is as busy as it is
it employs over 400-500 staff
a serious amount of deals are brokered because you have a facility like that in your city
a serious amount of business' relocates or expands into aberdeen because you have a facility like that which caters for the type of business they want to sell to (i.e. north sea)
it is home to offshore europe which contributes a MASSIVE amount of money to the economy
it hosts a wide range of family events throughout the year

the aecc also took heed when they got bailed out, and (from what I have been informed) they are doing pretty well to reduce the losses year on year

the lemon tree is something that is good for the city too, but not in its current state or the state is has been for years.

the current save the lemon tree campaign is an erattic reaction that is stimulated by the emotional ties to the place, without really looking at the situation in a calm, logical manner. The whole scenario is the equivalent of rubbing ice cubes on a hot surface; it slightly cools for a short while, makes a bloody mess then dries away never to be seen again

a long term strategy is needed, not a short term one

no one could have said that better.

[spellchecker]

well.....




however it was very informatively and concisely put!