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[PVH]

Rf is correct yo!

It is unfair treatment to only get paid on your ticket sales, its fucking bollocks and shouldnt be like that.

As for not getting paid at all, sometimes it happens if you are helping out a mate etc....if not, then you should be paid regardless.

[black_matter]

Originally Posted by Sam L4

What venues have said that? Let me guess, Kef?

eh yes, surprisingly. We tried to get paid on 3 different occasions but didn't. It's not a problem at all to be honest, it's not as if i rely on the money as i'm still young but it'll be a problem in the future. Pay for gigs to us is more of a bonus than a normality.

[Iomega]

Originally Posted by black_matter

eh yes, surprisingly. We tried to get paid on 3 different occasions but didn't. It's not a problem at all to be honest, it's not as if i rely on the money as i'm still young but it'll be a problem in the future. Pay for gigs to us is more of a bonus than a normality.

Doesnt matter how old you are the money you will get at gigs will usually get your petrol money and thats about it.

[black_matter]

Originally Posted by Iomega

Doesnt matter how old you are the money you will get at gigs will usually get your petrol money and thats about it.

Call me a dreamer but I was hoping to make a living out of gigging and music in the future lol.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by black_matter

eh yes, surprisingly. We tried to get paid on 3 different occasions but didn't. It's not a problem at all to be honest, it's not as if i rely on the money as i'm still young but it'll be a problem in the future. Pay for gigs to us is more of a bonus than a normality.

What kind of rubbish did they feed you? Kef are utterly notorious for not paying people despite promises to the contary - and sadly, because they don't write anything down in that respect, you can't force them to pay a penny.

Personally, if I was playing a Kef gig (like I ever would..), I wouldn't hand over a penny of the ticket money until I'd taken my agreed payment from it - that way, they can't fuck you over with payment as you've still got a fair bit of their money in your possession.

Best not to play there at all, though.

And by the way - please, please don't regard pay as a bonus rather than normality. If you do that, you're playing into the hands of greedy promoters who see local bands as a resource to be exploited rather than rewarded.

Originally Posted by RF Scott

Bands generally put in a lot of work for gigs, without having to then become salesmen for said gigs on top of that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the promoter "sell" the gig rather than the band as such? It depends on the exact setup - but to only pay bands on the basis of ticket sales is nothing more than blatant profiteering.

[RF Scott]

I will correct you if you're wrong - you didn't read what I typed! Read it again! I said bands SHOULDN'T be salesmen for gigs!

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by RF Scott

I will correct you if you're wrong - you didn't read what I typed! Read it again! I said bands SHOULDN'T be salesmen for gigs!

No no, I know you said that - I meant that I completely agree with what you said - just that I was open to correction on it

Either way, it looks (sadly) as if these sell-tickets-to-get-paid clowns are really starting to take a grip in Aberdeen

[RF Scott]

Oh, thats okay then!

[Lester Burnham]

Originally Posted by Cloud

No no, I know you said that - I meant that I completely agree with what you said - just that I was open to correction on it

Either way, it looks (sadly) as if these sell-tickets-to-get-paid clowns are really starting to take a grip in Aberdeen

Not really. The only promoters that I'm aware of the operate on the policy of "sell tickets to get paid" are RFR (and im not sure if that operates for every gig) and Kef.

Both are easy as fuck to avoid if you have an issue with the principle of it. If I was in the scenario with a promoter who had promised pay then suddenly gave a bull-shit reason later I'd simple refuse to ever play the venue or have anything to do with the promoter again (I'd hardly class not playing Kef as being a tragedy). On the other side of the coin my band have given up money due to gigs being quiet etc etc to free up more cash for out of town bands... this I actually don't mind as long as it's voluntary - in fact I'd encourage bands to do this. I don't play gigs for money.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Lester Burnham

Not really. The only promoters that I'm aware of the operate on the policy of "sell tickets to get paid" are RFR (and im not sure if that operates for every gig) and Kef.

There's the Emergenza and other scam-a-likes too, don't forget

It's sad that RFR do it to be honest - even if it's just for some gigs, it puts out completely the wrong message really. As for Kef, does anything need said? Anyone playing a Kef gig and not holding onto the ticket money until they get paid is an utter fool, though.

Both are easy as fuck to avoid if you have an issue with the principle of it.

Exactly, there's so many different people out there that there's no need to ever play one of their gigs. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least four different promoters who have put on some very big gigs without needing to demand the support slots sell tickets. Sure, it's nice when bands do sell tickets for you - but (as I think you've said), it should always be voluntary.

If I was in the scenario with a promoter who had promised pay then suddenly gave a bull-shit reason later I'd simple refuse to ever play the venue or have anything to do with the promoter again (I'd hardly class not playing Kef as being a tragedy).

What gets me is the way that people choose to lie about it - why on earth do you have to lie, when the vast majority of bands are perfectly happy with being told straight what the situation is? Of course, I guess you can get more gigs out of them and continue to line your pockets if you lie about it.

On the other side of the coin my band have given up money due to gigs being quiet etc etc to free up more cash for out of town bands... this I actually don't mind as long as it's voluntary - in fact I'd encourage bands to do this. I don't play gigs for money.

I think the whole issue is that everyone should be getting a fair deal out of it - but I know from personal experience, bands who will do such a thing will always, always get mentioned in a good light by me. It's a nice thing to do, and I'm sure any band with sense will always realise that the small touring band today might be the big touring band of tomorrow.

One bit of advice for anyone reading this : you don't have to sell tickets to play good gigs.