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Old 24-06-2009, 09:33   #1 (permalink)

 
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Ok so here's my first attempt to recreate the guitar tone of an album that cost infinity billion pounds, with a POD xt.

It's a small section from Holier Than Thou:

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Ignore the average bass sound.
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Old 26-06-2009, 16:51   #2 (permalink)

 
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its been along time since iv listened to this album so i cant quiet remember the sound, but your recording does sound pritty good guitar wise
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Funnily enough I was just annoying fellow bus passengers by listening to The Black Album yesterday.

Sounds pretty good to me but (and I'm not being cheeky here, I really don't know anything about metal tones except it involves "scooped mids"), is this not a relatively easy tone to mimic anyway?
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haha, no! It's one of the most holy grail guitar tones ever achieved. It was a ridiculous recording process involving mesa mk IIC+ amps (which went out of print years ago). and using so many different types of expensive mics to capture the tone. Added in the mix is hetfield having such his own playing style, it's hard to replicate perfectly. I'm not really there yet like... but I am trying to do it using just my Line6 POD rather than my fancy tube amps.

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Doesn't Hetfield achieve the thickness of the tone by overdubbing the same rhythm parts over and over, around 8 times or so? That's what I'd heard he did on Master anyway. You seem to have captured the playing style quite impressively, but the tone lacks the presence (whilst the sound actually seems bang on), which you could possibly achieve if you overdubbed a few times possibly?
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I would say that is pretty close, what guitar did you use?
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Doesn't Hetfield achieve the thickness of the tone by overdubbing the same rhythm parts over and over, around 8 times or so? That's what I'd heard he did on Master anyway. You seem to have captured the playing style quite impressively, but the tone lacks the presence (whilst the sound actually seems bang on), which you could possibly achieve if you overdubbed a few times possibly?
Aye I heard he does that a lot. He is also the master of down stroke playing. Playing MoP all downstrokes is probably one of the most painful musical related things I have ever done. I think I only did it once, but then again I'm not very good. I do notice it sounds so much worse it you alternate pick though, them upstrokes just don't sound the same.
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Doesn't Hetfield achieve the thickness of the tone by overdubbing the same rhythm parts over and over, around 8 times or so? That's what I'd heard he did on Master anyway. You seem to have captured the playing style quite impressively, but the tone lacks the presence (whilst the sound actually seems bang on), which you could possibly achieve if you overdubbed a few times possibly?
I did actually track my small section 4 times, panned 100% left and right and then 2 panned slightly further in at 80%.

Puppets was done tracks 3 each side but 2 of these were just playing the open E chugs and missing out the rest of the riffs. I read a massive long thing written by flemming rasmussen on that.



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Pretty damn close!!
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Sounds good Dan, try it with EMG's though, it might get you that bit closer.

I assume you're testing this out for the next Clipping Death track?

What patch/amp sim are you using on the Pod?
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