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[Huw]

Originally Posted by britheguy

That's a bit harsh don't you think. I think my DSL50 sounds pretty damn good. The lead channel might be a little thin sounding sometimes at lower levels, but that does not make it a bad amp. The clean and crunch are ace. I've played a 800 lately, in fact I did a back to back test with the DSL vs 800...result... both good sounding amps, but different in their own ways. TBH I prefer the DSL because of the switching etc, and to my ears slightly better sounding. Both were played through a Marshall 4x12 70's cab c/w with greenbacks.

Over the years I've had too many amps to remember, and they have all had something good about them - granted, some more than others - Line 6, marshall valvestate, 60's Vox AC 30 (s) mesa, peavey classic, plexi, bluesbreakers etc etc etc. Every one of those amps had a sound which I thought was good for a certian type of music etc.

I hear all the time about valve amp this, valve amp that, tranny this and tranny that. We all have different ideas about what is good to listen to and what's not.

So to get back to your comment about marshall not building a great amp since the 800...your talking utter pish!

you said yourself most of those amps had something good about them and that they were suited for a certain style. but when someone is playing through an 800 you KNOW it... no matter what style... that makes it a great amp.

[lame guitarist]

Originally Posted by britheguy

That's a bit harsh don't you think. I think my DSL50 sounds pretty damn good. The lead channel might be a little thin sounding sometimes at lower levels, but that does not make it a bad amp. The clean and crunch are ace. I've played a 800 lately, in fact I did a back to back test with the DSL vs 800...result... both good sounding amps, but different in their own ways. TBH I prefer the DSL because of the switching etc, and to my ears slightly better sounding. Both were played through a Marshall 4x12 70's cab c/w with greenbacks.

Over the years I've had too many amps to remember, and they have all had something good about them - granted, some more than others - Line 6, marshall valvestate, 60's Vox AC 30 (s) mesa, peavey classic, plexi, bluesbreakers etc etc etc. Every one of those amps had a sound which I thought was good for a certian type of music etc.

I hear all the time about valve amp this, valve amp that, tranny this and tranny that. We all have different ideas about what is good to listen to and what's not.

So to get back to your comment about marshall not building a great amp since the 800...your talking utter pish!

DSL50 is a good amp but still a bit harsh and fizzy, i did a lot o modifications to my ones like changing values of caps on the circuits which smooth out the sound really well, puts it more into the JCM800 territory.

As for 5150's - good amps but they really need a bias mod installed to heat up the tubes, the amp sounds too cold without it.

Mesa's good amps but i have never been keen on the lead tone of them. still nothing that a few modifications cant sort.

ENGL's - great amps that i wouldnt mod and DIEZEL the same.

Still have my diezel herbie which is by far the best amp i have heard and played and doesnt need any pedals in front.

[stuartmaxwell]

Originally Posted by britheguy

Over the years I've had too many amps to remember, and they have all had something good about them - granted, some more than others - Line 6, marshall valvestate, 60's Vox AC 30 (s) mesa, peavey classic, plexi, bluesbreakers etc etc etc. Every one of those amps had a sound which I thought was good for a certian type of music etc.

I hear all the time about valve amp this, valve amp that, tranny this and tranny that. We all have different ideas about what is good to listen to and what's not.

and I was giving my opinion.

So to get back to your comment about marshall not building a great amp since the 800...your talking utter pish!

Again, my opinion, but I still stand by it: the dsl series/jcm900 et al are poorly made, poorly designed amplifiers that certainly dont represent value for money and do nothing to enhance the reputation of marshall amps. They gave up caring about tone and more about making a huge wad of $$$ a long time ago

[Blingking]

Originally Posted by stuartmaxwell

and I was giving my opinion.



They gave up caring about tone and more about making a huge wad of $$$ a long time ago

Now that's a different thing. I would have to agree with you there. I've heard of several new era Marshall tranny amps that have just giving up the ghost after a few months.

You just need to make a phone call to both Marshall and Matamp to see who gives a shit about making the user/buyer a very '(un)happy tattie'.

BTW, my early 70's 50watt head blows the 800's and DSL away for tone, but it's just too damn loud most of the time

[Diesel]

Aye, all well and good, but who's fixing G-Man's fucking amp

[Alkaline]

Originally Posted by stuartmaxwell

and I was giving my opinion.



Again, my opinion, but I still stand by it: the dsl series/jcm900 et al are poorly made, poorly designed amplifiers that certainly dont represent value for money and do nothing to enhance the reputation of marshall amps. They gave up caring about tone and more about making a huge wad of $$$ a long time ago

You and your "TONE"...

[CRANIAL_MIND]

Diesel
Aye, all well and good, but who's fixing G-Man's fucking amp

emmm Marshall? oops just realised its the bass amp your speakin about, it was another guy with the avt275 i thought u meant. Whoever makes it will fix it most likely though.

[stuartmaxwell]

matamp - now there is a quality amplifier made by people who give a shit about tone.

i love my 2x12 with all my heart and now that I have just accepted a promotion which has another 9k a year on it a matching head will be getting ordered

[HateEvent]

I can't praise ENGL enough - if you find one for a decent price - go for it!

Re everything since the JCM800 being shit = incorrect. The DSLs are good. However, not AS good. But to say that they are bad is wrong.

[Jeid]

Opinions are like arseholes... everyone knows one

I'm not a fan of the whole Marshall sound at all. Not on it's own anyway. Their cabs are well constructed... but that's about all I'd buy.

I love my Mesa... I compared it with a TSL100 and fuckin hell, the TSL was pure utter pish. No life to it at all... just toppy upper mid range bollocks. There was no beef to it.

I owned a 900, it was my first amp, it was ok... better than the TSL.

Marshall's time was in the 60's... they've been riding a wave ever since if you ask me. But again, I'm just being opinionated...