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[Sam L4]

Does it cost to podcast?

[Alkaline]

Originally Posted by Neil

There aren't. Nowhere near.

podcasts aren't broadcasts, they're narrowcasts, so if you're including them you're wrong. If not then fair enough, but there'll be a lot more money than you'd think behind properly run internet radio broadcasters.

[RF Scott]

Originally Posted by Alkaline

Eh? By those examples the community one would be subsidised by the government, so it's not a valid comparisson. Maybe internet radio should be subsidised too. A lot of internet broadcasters aren't non-profit, in fact there are probably more profit making internet broadcasters than non-profit.

If you want to get hypothetical: I pay National Insurance every month from my wages. I haven't been to the doctors in years yet i pay more than a junkie who is there every week for all sorts of 'treatments'. Is that fair?

It is a hypothetical example, there was no mention of goverment subsidies in the hypothetical example, therefore it doesn't come into the equation.

Do you have anything to back up your inkling about the majority of internet broadcasters being profit making? Otherwise its just an inkling, and is silly to base an opinion on it.

That isn't a hypothetical situation, assuming you do pay your National Insurance, and aren't at the doctors every week. This comparison has no grounds whatsoever, as it is comparing two users of the same system, as opposed to two similar companies, the only difference between them being that one is non-profit. Where is this 'junkie' going to get 'treatments,' a honky-tonk doctor? A back alley doctor? Otherwise, he/she is just getting treatments, not 'treatments.' And to answer the pointless question, yes that is as fair as it is going to get with a national health system.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Alkaline

podcasts aren't broadcasts, they're narrowcasts, so if you're including them you're wrong. If not then fair enough, but there'll be a lot more money than you'd think behind properly run internet radio broadcasters.

No, I'm not including podcasts at all and I don't know where you got that from. All I'm saying is that if you look at all of the streaming radio stations currently online today then the vast majority are non-profit.

[Alkaline]

Originally Posted by RF Scott

That isn't a hypothetical situation, assuming you do pay your National Insurance, and aren't at the doctors every week. This comparison has no grounds whatsoever, as it is comparing two users of the same system, as opposed to two similar companies, the only difference between them being that one is non-profit. Where is this 'junkie' going to get 'treatments,' a honky-tonk doctor? A back alley doctor? Otherwise, he/she is just getting treatments, not 'treatments.' And to answer the pointless question, yes that is as fair as it is going to get with a national health system.

Ok, hypothetical was the wrong word. The comparison has grounds: i have money, our average junkie doesn't- profit making internet radio stations have/make money, non=profit ones don't.

the apostrophes weren't implying that their treatments weren't justified, just that i couldn't be arsed going into specifics.

And in case you missed the point earlier, i don't think either should have to pay.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Sam L4

Does it cost to podcast?

Not necessarily. You can make a Podcast and then get someone else to host it for you for free. The actual cost of making a Podcast would be negligible as it would just be software and equipment (microphone etc.) you'd need to concern yourself with.

However, we are talking about streaming radio stations which is a completely different ballgame and where hosting any popular radio station has a very significant cost as you have to pay for the bandwidth your listeners use.

Podcasts and Internet radio stations are not the same thing.

[Alkaline]

Originally Posted by Neil

No, I'm not including podcasts at all and I don't know where you got that from. All I'm saying is that if you look at all of the streaming radio stations currently online today then the vast majority are non-profit.

I was saying "if you were including them" not "you're a dick, stop including podcasts" don't get your panties in a twist.

I'd be surprised if half the streaming internet radio stations didn't take money from sponsors, advertisers, subsidisers and artists/agents/management/record companies. How many of those stations are self-supporting and run 'only for the music'.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Alkaline

I was saying "if you were including them" not "you're a dick, stop including podcasts" don't get your panties in a twist.

Steady on! I'm not having a go and I'm sorry if it came across that way. Chill out.

I'd be surprised if half the streaming internet radio stations didn't take money from sponsors, advertisers, subsidisers and artists/agents/management/record companies. How many of those stations are self-supporting and run 'only for the music'.

Well, I have some knowledge of this through listening to many different online radio stations over the years and having a go of running a radio station of sorts here in the past, on aberdeen-music.

If you listen to many of these radio stations you will soon discover they are completely ad-free and often rely solely on people making donations to them through an associated web site in order to keep going. Considering they are often paying for server(s) as well as bandwidth in order to broadcast then their on-going costs can easily run into the hundreds and thousands of pounds a month for the really popular radio stations. That's a lot of money if you are relying completely on donations from listeners and revenue coming from a few ads on your web site.

[Alkaline]

Originally Posted by Neil

Well, I have some knowledge of this through listening to many different online radio stations over the years and having a go of running a radio station of sorts here in the past, on aberdeen-music.

If you listen to many of these radio stations you will soon discover they are completely ad-free and often rely solely on people making donations to them through an associated web site in order to keep going. Considering they are often paying for server(s) as well as bandwidth in order to broadcast then their on-going costs can easily run into the hundreds and thousands of pounds a month for the really popular radio stations. That's a lot of money if you are relying completely on donations from listeners and revenue coming from a few ads on your web site.

Yes, that's true but a lot of the launch sites carry ads rather than having them broadcast. I'm certainly not saying that there aren't internet radio stations that are 100% non-profit but we all now that the 'popular' ones are as susceptible to backhanders from management companies etc just to big up new acts as the profit making ones.

[RF Scott]

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