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[Spoonie]

i wouldn't be so sure of that. we'd have had more chance getting 40 folk to take a bus to glasgow as a new band starting out than as an older, better, better established band. it's incredible what friend power can do. probably worth someone having a word with them tho. point them in the direction of jenna at the vale in glasgow for a nice venue with no P2P pish.

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[Munky_Rules]

i have been doing some research into the promo company etc and i am seriously thinking about cancelling the gig, i didn't like the idea of p2p from the start we where just excited about being offered gigs in glasgow.

Munky

[Chris]

That's the classic P2P way. They prey on bands who are new and who are glad to get offered the gig. Then the band think they're ace because they get asked back after they sold 50 tickets the first time round, but can't understand why they don't get asked back after their second gig when they only sold 15 tickets and had to fork out the difference themselves. All their friends had already seen them and most of them had other plans or just didn't want to go see a band that weren't very good twice in one year, no matter how nice guys they are.

By this time the promoter has already booked the next bunch of mugs who are chuffed to bits to play a "paying" gig

[bladeola]

Originally Posted by Chris

That's the classic P2P way. They prey on bands who are new and who are glad to get offered the gig. Then the band think they're ace because they get asked back after they sold 50 tickets the first time round, but can't understand why they don't get asked back after their second gig when they only sold 15 tickets and had to fork out the difference themselves. All their friends had already seen them and most of them had other plans or just didn't want to go see a band that weren't very good twice in one year, no matter how nice guys they are.

By this time the promoter has already booked the next bunch of mugs who are chuffed to bits to play a "paying" gig

Couldn't have said it better myself really.

To be fair I do think that newer bands nowadays do seem to want to "get out of town" too quickly. I STRONGLY feel you should wait till you're at least been playing shows for a solid year. Just too many bands aren't even into double figures before they start wanting to play out of their home city. Remember your home city is far more forgiving and will watch you grow. Whereas the guy in Perth who comes and ses you, thinks you're shit, will not easily give you another look.

For a good place to start playing shows in Glasgow, you should look at Rockers. Chances are you wont get paid BUT you wont have to P2P and you get a mix of people. You guys should get on a punk night.

IMO, for what it's worth though. wait until you have about 20 - 30 more shows under your belt before you head anywhere out of Aberdeen-shire.

[soundian]

Originally Posted by Chris

That's the classic P2P way. They prey on bands who are new and who are glad to get offered the gig. Then the band think they're ace because they get asked back after they sold 50 tickets the first time round, but can't understand why they don't get asked back after their second gig when they only sold 15 tickets and had to fork out the difference themselves. All their friends had already seen them and most of them had other plans or just didn't want to go see a band that weren't very good twice in one year, no matter how nice guys they are.

By this time the promoter has already booked the next bunch of mugs who are chuffed to bits to play a "paying" gig

A fairly good summation, apart from the fact that P2P "promoters" are quite happy to have you back regardless of how many people actually turn up to see you; your still guaranteed to sell 40 tickets anyway regardless of who buys them.

Sage advice from Bladeola too.

[Old Gold]

What's the point in taking 40 people all the way from Aberdeen to Glasgow to see you play? Surely the idea of playing out of town is to play to a different audience.

Still, if you do go through with it (although don't), never sign anything, and tell them to get fucked if they ask you to make up the difference.

[soundian]

Originally Posted by SpanishArmada

What's the point in taking 40 people all the way from Aberdeen to Glasgow to see you play? Surely the idea of playing out of town is to play to a different audience.

Still, if you do go through with it (although don't), never sign anything, and tell them to get fucked if they ask you to make up the difference.

They won't let you play, and they'll threaten you with a "blacklist" so it's much easier to tell them to get fucked asap, in a nice way of course, no point burning bridges when you don't know who the bridge belongs to.

[Old Gold]

Touche. The answer is definately to just drop out apologetically then. No harm done.

[Sam L4]

The level of P2P in Glasgow is pretty mad. We've been offered gigs all over the shop...including the Carling Academy and ABC main room. It is swaying me towards putting on my own shows.

[Hog]

I reckon that young bands having to sign agreements/forms is very wrong.

Contracts should surely be for touring bands/ bands with a manager and bands who are professional (no disrespect to Decipher but Im sure you know what I mean).