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[HairyScaryMark]

Originally Posted by SpanishArmada

Yet again, you keep havering away Hairyscarymark. The thread was not asking about society's effect on musical culture. It was asking for personal tastes. You are burying way too deep here bud.

Although I suppose if you see music as a way of impressing people through your apparent vast knowledge, then you could call your last few posts (which can frankly be described as boring essays) valid.

Generaly the way a discussion works is that the topic eventually changes to another similar and related topic. I believe I wrote enough about my own music tastes in my first post. I then wrote what I believe causes some other people to listen to music. I am not the only one to do that to some degree on this topic.

"I view music as a way of impressing people?" wrong. This seems to be a frequent rhetoric used to attack dedicated musicians. It seems anyone who plays something which is fast is told they are wanking or it is 'too widdly' by people used to listening to slow music. I detect jealousy or insecurity. This is not even particularly relevant to this conversation. Musical expression is a skill which can be improved through education and practice.

Originally Posted by jester1470

If your arguement was correct how come many siblings dont share the same taste despite a similar upbringing ?

I never said that people were incapable of making decisions for themselves. I just said that enviromental factors play a role in determining what sort of music someone will enjoy listening to. It is not the only thing which is relevant to the thought process but it does make a difference.

[bryn]

Originally Posted by HairyScaryMark

I never said that people were incapable of making decisions for themselves. I just said that enviromental factors play a role in determining what sort of music someone will enjoy listening to.

Surely circumstance can only really define what exactly you are exposed to, not in fact, what you 'like'. Though this potentially brings up a fairly difficult concept in that, is it circumstance that defines musical taste and are all people capable of liking the same music depending on circumstance?

We are all surely, at least in the beginner stages of music listening, influenced by others. Take a good friend or sibling - could it be that, whatever music said person introduces you to is what defines your taste? We are all highly impressionable; blank canvasses that are merely influenced by others who were influenced by others etc etc etc?

[Old Gold]

Originally Posted by HairyScaryMark

"I view music as a way of impressing people?" wrong. This seems to be a frequent rhetoric used to attack dedicated musicians. It seems anyone who plays something which is fast is told they are wanking or it is 'too widdly' by people used to listening to slow music. I detect jealousy or insecurity. This is not even particularly relevant to this conversation. Musical expression is a skill which can be improved through education and practice.

I would consider myself a dedicated musician. I feel that you are mistaking what I said as a generalisation. I was not attacking accomplied musicians. It's just that you seem to be spouting a bunch of off-topic facts relating to psychology. You've been asked along with everyone else to really lay down what you love about music, yet the majority of what you have typed is about social classes and surprisingly immature stereotyping.
I am not jealous of you, because I have no fucking idea what you play like! I'll be happy to admit I'm only an average guitarist at best, and am under no illusion that fret board wankery takes a pile of skill (I played drums in the previous carnation of the extremely widdly power metal band Everwicked for a good few years).

You're being very condesending, and it's not likeable. It's needless too, as I am perfectly aware that if you practice, you get better! No shit.

[diarmaid]

Here's the top ten artistes in my CD collection:

Ben Folds
Jeff Buckley
Rufus Wainwright

Ginger of Wildhearts; Silver Ginger 5 and solo...
QOTSA
Deftones

Bellrays primarily just because Lisa Kekaula has the sexiest female voice in the world.

Beastie Boys
Bright Eyes
Therapy?

So pretty wide spanning. Though also like Dub War, Weezer, Divine Comedy, Ian Dury and The Blockheads, Burt Bacharach, George Gershwin, The Schitzophonics, Iggy Pop, Elton John, Billy Joel, Metallica, Led Zeppelin...oh and Simon and Garfunkel.

There you go, my musical taste partly summed up.

Dx

[Stripey]

Originally Posted by Spoonie

but that doesn't mean that the abstract is more meaningful, just because less people get it.

That's not what I was saying atall. I couldn't care less who does or doesn't "get it".

Originally Posted by Larsen B

You don't understand mate. I'm not saying that you are wrong to like music which is more abstract, just that you are wrong to think that it somehow has greater depth and meaning, because of this.

No, you don't understand.

Originally Posted by Soundian

Can we assume from this that your constant vilification of all music in aberdeen is because it has childlike qualities, such as melody and lyrics?

No, as I've made clear in the other thread.

Originally Posted by GraemeC

Boom tss boom tss boom tss boom tss boom tss boom tss boom tss boom tss boom tss boom

It wouldn't be fair to have a go at you for this, since your age probably precludes you from having any understanding or appreciation atall of modern music.

[Larsen B]

Originally Posted by Stripey

That's not what I was saying atall. I couldn't care less who does or doesn't "get it".



No, you don't understand.



No, as I've made clear in the other thread.



It wouldn't be fair to have a go at you for this, since your age probably precludes you from having any understanding or appreciation atall of modern music.

Interesting how you have retorts to all our points, but no way of backing any of them up.

[Stripey]

Originally Posted by Larsen B

Interesting how you have retorts to all our points, but no way of backing any of them up.

I don't see you providing any evidence for your points so why should I? Yer wrong. Yer naive. It's that simple. I don't expect to be able to persuade you of this, or feel like I should make any effort to educate you.

[GraemeC]

Originally Posted by Stripey

It wouldn't be fair to have a go at you for this, since your age probably precludes you from having any understanding or appreciation atall of modern music.

I was taking the piss....Im quite partial to a bit of "modern" (I would call it dance)music and in fact have a very large (inherited) collection of bangin dance choons.....man!

G...

[Larsen B]

Originally Posted by Stripey

I don't see you providing any evidence for your points so why should I? Yer wrong. Yer naive. It's that simple. I don't expect to be able to persuade you of this, or feel like I should make any effort to educate you.

It's not evidence we're after really, just some discursive persuasion with a little more depth.

Originally Posted by Larsen B

It's not evidence we're after really, just some discursive persuasion with a little more depth.

I wouldn't hold your breath there, dismissing everyone else's taste in music, films, literature, art, etc as being beneath his level with no sound justification is what he does best.