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Originally Posted by Stripey

fuck I'll have to delete them from my playlist now

I still think a trowel is better.

[Old Gold]

Originally Posted by Ikaruga

I still think a trowel is better.

Heil Strimmer!

If we're going to get into the computer vs conventional musical instruments field, I'd have to argue for the latter. I appreciate the 'pick up and play' aspect of a guitar or a drum kit. I've experimented with layering sounds, and it's the most boring thing in the world. You're always concerned with the finished product. I like to just pick up a guitar, and as Mr Moore demonstrates, simply kick out the jams for a while.

Just look at his ancient face! He's fuckin' loving it! Forget sitting in front of a computer listening carefully for the tiniest of note changes. I'm not saying electronic musics bad to listen to, but I'd rather have my fingers lobbed off than go through the process of making it.

[Stripey]

Originally Posted by SpanishArmada

I appreciate the 'pick up and play' aspect of a guitar or a drum kit. I've experimented with layering sounds, and it's the most boring thing in the world. You're always concerned with the finished product. I like to just pick up a guitar, and as Mr Moore demonstrates, simply kick out the jams for a while.

Just look at his ancient face! He's fuckin' loving it! Forget sitting in front of a computer listening carefully for the tiniest of note changes. I'm not saying electronic musics bad to listen to, but I'd rather have my fingers lobbed off than go through the process of making it.

The whole "pick up and play" aspect is totally present in the digital domain aswell, it can be as free and fluid as you want it to be, if you know your way around the tools.

[GraemeC]

Isn't this getting so tedious....?

Its another debate that there can never be a winner or looser... I for one side with the organic brigade, I have never heard computer based music that makes me smile like BB King can....thats maybe boring and old fashioned for some people, but Stripey you seem to think its wrong to enjoy it..... I say fuck it, a shiny new BMW with all its electronics and computers is fine, its easy to drive it takes lots of the brain work out of driving, with ABS, traction control and electrically adjustable and heated seats but there is nothing like getting behind the wheel of a Mk1 Escort Mexico....simple, functional, and fast enough for most.... **guitar solo from Hotel California fades in**

[Stripey]

Originally Posted by GraemeC

Isn't this getting so tedious....?

Its another debate that there can never be a winner or looser... I for one side with the organic brigade, I have never heard computer based music that makes me smile like BB King can....thats maybe boring and old fashioned for some people, but Stripey you seem to think its wrong to enjoy it..... I say fuck it, a shiny new BMW with all its electronics and computers is fine, its easy to drive it takes lots of the brain work out of driving, with ABS, traction control and electrically adjustable and heated seats but there is nothing like getting behind the wheel of a Mk1 Escort Mexico....simple, functional, and fast enough for most.... **guitar solo from Hotel California fades in**

Well, I've grown up with electronic music, I identify with it and I have my own list of classics. It's not like I don't appreciate the music of the PAST, but I'm not from the 60's or 70's, im interested in whats new NOW and what it has to offer and the new areas that can be explored. You can't compare electronic music and modern digital production techniques to the example you've given of a car thats a bore to drive. It's still as raw and visceral an experience, as a writer, only with a new set of more powerful tools. It's still a human behind the wheel.

[daveofficer]

Originally Posted by GraemeC

Isn't this getting so tedious....?

Its another debate that there can never be a winner or looser... I for one side with the organic brigade, I have never heard computer based music that makes me smile like BB King can....thats maybe boring and old fashioned for some people, but Stripey you seem to think its wrong to enjoy it..... I say fuck it, a shiny new BMW with all its electronics and computers is fine, its easy to drive it takes lots of the brain work out of driving, with ABS, traction control and electrically adjustable and heated seats but there is nothing like getting behind the wheel of a Mk1 Escort Mexico....simple, functional, and fast enough for most.... **guitar solo from Hotel California fades in**

it's tedious because people won't accept other peoples opinions bar their own. we're all on the same side yet are using different tools. it's not us and them with traditional instruments vs computers, it's everyone creating music using instruments which vary in method yet which are all ultimately doing the same thing. it's just different interfaces.

there's very little difference between what the beatles did on sgt peppers to what boards of canada did on music has the right to children, only peoples ears and their preconcieved ideas of what music is.

incidentally that gary moore version of red house sucks balls. there's not a whole lot of emotion there for me, it's more of a technical showcase than an emotional song. saying that, people connect to music in different ways which is why there's so much variation in music.

altogether now:

now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum, what might be right for you, might not be right for some...

[Frosty Jack]

Originally Posted by daveofficer

it's tedious because people won't accept other peoples opinions bar their own. we're all on the same side yet are using different tools. it's not us and them with traditional instruments vs computers, it's everyone creating music using instruments which vary in method yet which are all ultimately doing the same thing. it's just different interfaces.

there's very little difference between what the beatles did on sgt peppers to what boards of canada did on music has the right to children, only peoples ears and their preconcieved ideas of what music is.

incidentally that gary moore version of red house sucks balls. there's not a whole lot of emotion there for me, it's more of a technical showcase than an emotional song. saying that, people connect to music in different ways which is why there's so much variation in music.

Very well said, sir. Especially the bit about Gary Moore. *brrrr*

Originally Posted by GraemeC

I think its a bit west of that.....

Cool,........ if "west" is "left"

[Spoonie]

Originally Posted by Stripey

In terms of creativity, remember the fact that you also have complete and total control over the whole song, i.e you are the bass player, the keys player, the singer, the drummer, whatever you want. If you like working on your own you have more opportunity to create what you yourself really want to create.

that's the part of digital music production that appeals to me least. in a band situation, i have a very focused idea of how i put basslines together and it works for me. that is fine, but i look to the other members of the band to put their parts in, before we deconstruct and reconstruct the piece until we have an overall finished product that we're pleased with. in quixote for example, our drummer has a far better idea of the possibilities of what his instrument can do than i do and there aren't many (if any) things i could ask for that he'd not be able to provide if i did have an idea for a drum line. if i had the ability to play all instruments and put together some kind of masterpiece in my head before recording it, i might find digital production more useful a tool and be more inclined to learn how to use t. as it is, i am interested in playing bass and using this as my tool to make the sounds i want in the kind of band i want.

some of the best songs i've been involved with come through jamming when we stop and someone says "play that bit again with the doodle doodle widdle doo bit in it" and we start again from that. i can't imagine that being possible if it was just me in front of a computer playing all the parts.

don't get me wrong, i appreciate that it takes skill and real dedication to put together music in the way that you do stripey and i have quite a few friends on Alex's course who do that kind of thing and produce varying types of electronic music, it's just not for me.

i can see why you might not be digging gary moore but that's what i love. i went to see chris rea the other week and he's just released an 11 CD set of blues recordings, each of which covers an area of the blues (i.e. delta blues, african blues, etc) and for each, they built the studio in exactly the way it would have been at the time the music represents, including all the equipment. to me, that is a far more interesting pursuit.

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