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[Jim Stax]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Isn't perfection ultimately a sterile, safe experience?

And depends what you are doing

[Swingin' Ryan]

Originally Posted by Stripey

Yeah that's what I was getting at really, you have a lot of control because you're essentially playing the role of musician, sound engineer, synth programmer and producer all in one, so you have complete control over all these aspects, which gives you a lot more scope for experimentation.

With synth programming and such like, surely you are just, at best, manipulating pre-recorded sounds. With something like an acoustic guitar, you are creating them at the source.

I like quite a lot of electronic based music, but I always think there's something slightly soulless about sounds that aren't being generated by the source instrument. I'd rather hear a grand-piano than some kind of synth-generated sample of one. I think over-reliance on electronic production and musicianship is at the very core of the 'Teletubby' musical culture you speak about. A culture where we homogenize plastic, electronic intepretations of an instrument than to hear the real thing.

Bob Dylan with an acoustic guitar and a microphone communicates more to me than anything a man with a computer could ever generate. If that makes me an inadequate conformist then so be it.

[bryn]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Isn't perfection ultimately a sterile, safe experience?

In terms of rock and jazz, I think a rough edge is cool, I sometimes find albums like Blood Sugar Sex Majik, Metallica's Black Album pretty horrible for their perfection. The Kerrang-type, pop-metal production ideal is repulsive.

However, a decent set of speakers highlight the flaws in my own production and gives me a greater appreciation of well-produced music. I can sit back and really appreciate even top forty music; I'm interested in how the music is put together.

[Jim Stax]

Originally Posted by bryn

In terms of rock and jazz, I think a rough edge is cool, I sometimes find albums like Blood Sugar Sex Majik, Metallica's Black Album pretty horrible for their perfection. The Kerrang-type, pop-metal production ideal is repulsive.

However, a decent set of speakers highlight the flaws in my own production and gives me a greater appreciation of well-produced music. I can sit back and really appreciate even top forty music; I'm interested in how the music is put together.

Happy for you... I would like to think that any music that I would, have,could, produce works any and everywhere and not just by a a few that can bung hunners at top notch speakers... Absolute quality is rarely prevelant outwith the studio. I've had wine and am likely having my own little debate here

[bryn]

I like quite a lot of electronic based music, but I always think there's something slightly soulless about sounds that aren't being generated by the source instrument.

At times, Aphex Twin, in particular, is some of the most touching, beautiful music I have ever heard.

[bryn]

Originally Posted by Twobackjoe

Happy for you... I would like to think that any music that I would, have,could, produce works any and everywhere and not just by a a few that can bung hunners at top notch speakers... Absolute quality is rarely prevelant outwith the studio. I've had wine and am likely having my own little debate here

I think decent sound is worth bungin' hunners at.

[Jim Stax]

Originally Posted by bryn

I think decent sound is worth bungin' hunners at.

If you have it to bung then yup. If not then you shouldnt feel left out and a cheap bastard because a few 'sound snobs' said it sounds amazin in their ljnwdojobwdcjcuhuuhsau33333777779999922222 sound system.

[bryn]

Originally Posted by Twobackjoe

If you have it to bung then yup. If not then you shouldnt feel left out and a cheap bastard because a few 'sound snobs' said it sounds amazin in their ljnwdojobwdcjcuhuuhsau33333777779999922222 sound system.

Disagreed. You should feel left out and stand in the corner..

[Swingin' Ryan]

Originally Posted by bryn

At times, Aphex Twin, in particular, is some of the most touching, beautiful music I have ever heard.

I don't doubt that for a second, I'm just saying I personally don't find electronics as enjoyable as the real instruments. I'm more disputing Stripey's idea that the use of real instruments is somehow artistically sub-par to electronic instruments.

[Jim Stax]

Originally Posted by bryn

Disagreed. You should feel left out and stand in the corner..

Only if it is a acousticaly superior corner to the one at the outher side of the room!