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[PVH]

Originally Posted by MKII

...juice.

Also, the fact they are putting it through a 'hardware' unit of some kind isn't really any different to putting it through 'software' either.

But the hardware is run my mice and the circuits are made by moles.

Originally Posted by project:venhell

But the hardware is run my mice and the circuits are made by moles.

Boozing?

I do prefer real instrument manipulation via pedals and the like it must be said!

I find computer based music making, recording etc very sterile, too much time farting about with a mouse, yuk!

[PVH]

I wish i was boozing!

But yes, pedals is where the real manipulation is at for me.

[GraemeC]

Originally Posted by bryn

I made it clear I wasn't criticising the instrument. 99% of the time, the young are too impressionable and can't see beyond their idols to be original whilst the old are simply incapable.

The recruitment pool for guitar playing is so wide that the reduction in quality is inevitable. Its accesible, easy and corresponds with pop culture. Computer music, on the other hand, must be dug out, and I think this represents a significant distinction already from the mind of the thirteen year old Nirvana fan (or middle-aged obsessive).

Most people are content with skimming the surface of music, a point illustrated by Greame C, chapter 9, Pg142:

Sorry but i have to disagree with most of what you say....again.... I work for an old Prog band .. Pallas .. and by far the majority of their current album was created via keyboards computers and sequencers long before they went into the studio, they then all had to learn their parts before recording it with "real" instruments, not an easy task.
And why do you mock me for listening to music I enjoy, does that place me beneath you the evolutionary ladder?

[bryn]

Originally Posted by GraemeC

Sorry but i have to disagree with most of what you say....again.... I work for an old Prog band .. Pallas .. and by far the majority of their current album was created via keyboards computers and sequencers long before they went into the studio, they then all had to learn their parts before recording it with "real" instruments, not an easy task.
And why do you mock me for listening to music I enjoy, does that place me beneath you the evolutionary ladder?

I didn't intend to mock, I merely noticed something you said that agreed with my opinion that there is in existence a majority group of music listeners and players who essentially have the same motives; hence the descriptive terms 'original' and 'creative' in my opinion should not be hastily applied to anyone.

When I suggested older people are incapable I was referring particularly to beginners, and I stand by that. It wasn't a comment against you, for I have no idea who you are.

[chuzzy]

well, im into prog jst now, and i think that a good song shood hav a meaning behind it, this makes the song alot more powerful. well thats wot i wood say. OOO it also wood b amazing to hav a fuk off guitar solo e.g john petrucci and jordan rudess solo in "in the name of god" by dream theater.

[soundian]

Being creative has got nothing to do with your mastery of your instrument, some people who I regard as highly creative are no more than average on their chosen intruments.

Knowing the limits of your chosen form of expression (analogue or digtial, or both, take your pick), and knowing how to work within, or push the envelope of, these limits are where the technological creativity comes in.

I have no comments on the songwriting side of creativity, cos I'm rubbish at it.

[bryn]

Originally Posted by soundian

Being creative has got nothing to do with your mastery of your instrument, some people who I regard as highly creative are no more than average on their chosen intruments.

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Whilst I agree with this, I'd also suggest that skill allows said people to voice themselves in multiple ways. You could have all the talent in the world but without some degree of skill, nobody is going to know about it.

Skill and knowledge are in perfect concordance with natural talent, contrary to the beliefs of many people who see skill somehow as a dampener on creativity / enjoy dismissing 'elitist' approaches etc.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by bryn

This concept has become really unappealing to me upon acquiring a decent soundsystem, whereby I now cherish perfection

Isn't perfection ultimately a sterile, safe experience?

[Jim Stax]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Isn't perfection ultimately a sterile, safe experience?

Hi Cloud and get in!

Although (You knew it was coming but only becuase I like your point) originality is a word I haven't seen much of on this thread (I haven't read it all, sorry) and a word that is not inhibited by genre, ability, equipment and knowledge.

And what the heck is Bryn's point about "People don't actually know what their favourite songs are 'supposed' to sound like". What the feck does that mean?

Jim