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[Dan Atom]

MMW aren't a DIY band obviously. For a start we use our mummy and daddy's money towards buying onto every gig going. I also don't even play my own guitar, someone does it for me. We also never drive to our own gigs. Someone does that for us to. We also don't finance our own recordings etc etc etc



However what IS DIY when it comes to music? If paying for an advert for your band is sucking corporate cock, then what isn't?



For instance, how does a band fund they're own equipment, if they are so called 'DIY' that is?
Stealing? Make it all themselves? I'd guess they probably whip out their cheque book and PAY for it actually...

How does a DIY band get their message spread to the world their own way?
The internet? Phone calls? Postage? (stamps) Flyers?
How are they all funded I wonder.... hmmm. Last time I checked none of that was free.

How does a DIY band practise? I wonder if jake the ape's band practises in Captain Tom's etc or if he practises in his house? Tom's ain't free y'know and I'm sure whoever owns the house doesn't get it gratis either...

How does a DIY band record?
Argos Kareoke machine with one Mic in the middle of a room? Granted, it SOUNDS like that but I'm sure this isn't how it is done.
I reckon they BUY their own equipment maybe? Or perhaps pay for a studio. Maybe borrow someone's 4-tracker... although that would mean dealing with someone who isn't DIY cos they ACTUALLY paid for something.

How does a DIY band get to their next gig?
Taxi? Bus? A Car maybe... walking would be the best DIY option in my opinion but I doubt that happens what with all the equipment to carry etc...



I could go on and on, but I am boring myself let alone anyone who took the time to read the above. But please Jake, before you open your banana loving gob, please think with that tiny simian brain of yours what you are actually saying before you mash it on your keyboard with your hairy flea infested palms.

[daveofficer]

i'll give it less than an hour before this thread is closed. any takers?

[french_disko]

Originally Posted by daveofficer

i'll give it less than an hour before this thread is closed. any takers?

It's like Oasis v. Blur in the GC Guide rather than the NME.

Or Mods v. Rockers at Torry Battery rather than Brighton Beach.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by daveofficer

i'll give it less than an hour before this thread is closed. any takers?

It would be a shame, it's got potential for some good discussion which is why I haven't closed it already for Dan's bit at the end. And I know that it's basically a direct response to the attack Jake made on MMW, it's a shame Dan's stooped to insults as well. Kind of waters down the point I feel.

We'll be keeping an eye on this one anyway. Just keep it civil guys.

[milner]

there are good points there tho that ive never understood.
How can a band be completely diy?

[medichi]

Good points raised (although I too am "corporate" according to Jake). Where is that line? And what difference does it make if it is crossed? Are there degrees of selling out? (Signing to Rough Trade OK, advert for McDonalds not?)

Jake talks about "no short cuts" - short cuts to where? It all depends what you're aiming for,and MMw are looking for more that palying basements for their career, whereas Jakes lot may be happy with that and the cred it brings - no disrespect intended.

Yes, Jakes comments were short sighted and (IMHO) elitist, but his take on what determines success is different to MMW. I respect bands who work hard and don't compromise - MMW work harder than most (all?) Aberdeen bands, and haven't compromised their sound one iota. Yes, its a "cool" style at present, but they ALL love it, and don't need your (or anyone elses) approval.

[RF Scott]

I'm pretty sure that DIY (Do It Yourself) refers to taking your own initiatives and...doing things for yourself, rather than being sulf-sufficient, which is what this thread kinda implies. eg - I guess that booking your own tour would be DIY, rather than building venues up and down the country to play in.

Of course, it doesn't really matter one bit if you're "DIY" or not, if you're making the music that you want to make without any interference from outside parties.

[Keilan 303]

For a more accurate representation of DIY in action...see Fugazi/Dischord Records.....

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[daveofficer]

Originally Posted by CliveRavensby

Of course, it doesn't really matter one bit if you're "DIY" or not, if you're making the music that you want to make without any interference from outside parties.

amen brother! goddamn!

Originally Posted by CliveRavensby

I'm pretty sure that DIY (Do It Yourself) refers to taking your own initiatives and...doing things for yourself, rather than being sulf-sufficient, which is what this thread kinda implies. eg - I guess that booking your own tour would be DIY, rather than building venues up and down the country to play in.

Of course, it doesn't really matter one bit if you're "DIY" or not, if you're making the music that you want to make without any interference from outside parties.

Yup, sums up my attitude totaly.

All types of music can be D.I.Y. it's not some elitist thing consigned to the hardcore scene, and if it is seen as that it bloody well shouldn't be.

It's just all about doing what you want to do, making the music you want to, playing however you like, putting on what shows you like, just so long as you're not opening yourself to exploitation.

But then again, I've probibly not been involved long enough to comment.