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[mmd040]

Just wondered if anyone else is travelling down to see Mew in Edinburgh tonight. Apparently they're a prog band now. I hate labels! In case it's not obvious enough, i'll be there.

[Larsen B]

I really wish i was there, can't wait for the album next week. From what i've heard it's not prog in the bad sense.

[jester1470]

Originally Posted by Larsen B

I really wish i was there, can't wait for the album next week. From what i've heard it's not prog in the bad sense.

Wasnt aware there was a bad sense ? Prog's just another word for more epic sounding stiuff pretty much, things which are more complicated usually.

Cheers

Stuart

[Larsen B]

Originally Posted by jester1470

Wasnt aware there was a bad sense ? Prog's just another word for more epic sounding stiuff pretty much, things which are more complicated usually.

Cheers

Stuart

Prog would also include bands like Yes and Camel or whatever they were called. That is a bad sense. And prog does not mean more epic sounding, it actually means progressive, something that is pushing the boundaries a bit.

[jester1470]

Originally Posted by Larsen B

Prog would also include bands like Yes and Camel or whatever they were called. That is a bad sense. And prog does not mean more epic sounding, it actually means progressive, something that is pushing the boundaries a bit.

Nothing wronmg with a bit of Yes or Camel. I know what prog means in the literal sense, but surely as all bands should be progressing pushing the boundaries of what they do then they should be prog ?

Prog nowadays means something that is complicated and possibly a bit self indulgent, the definitions have changed.

Cheers

Stuart

[Larsen B]

Originally Posted by jester1470

Nothing wronmg with a bit of Yes or Camel. I know what prog means in the literal sense, but surely as all bands should be progressing pushing the boundaries of what they do then they should be prog ?

Prog nowadays means something that is complicated and possibly a bit self indulgent, the definitions have changed.

Cheers

Stuart

The reason Mew are getting called prog now is that their new album is a concept album. Poor things should never be degraded by being mentioned in the same breath as Yes or Camel.

[jester1470]

Originally Posted by Larsen B

The reason Mew are getting called prog now is that their new album is a concept album. Poor things should never be degraded by being mentioned in the same breath as Yes or Camel.

A concept album is about as porg as you can get ? Tales from Topographical Oceans, Misplaced Childhood, The Wall, etc etc...

Just out of interest have you ever heard Yes or Camel or is it just that its unfashionable to like prog and them ?

No-one can deny that Yes were outstanding musicians, Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, etc all brilliant musicians. I would be surprised if Mew thought it was an insult to be mentioned in the same breath.

Cheers

Stuart

[Larsen B]

Originally Posted by jester1470

A concept album is about as porg as you can get ? Tales from Topographical Oceans, Misplaced Childhood, The Wall, etc etc...

Just out of interest have you ever heard Yes or Camel or is it just that its unfashionable to like prog and them ?

No-one can deny that Yes were outstanding musicians, Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, etc all brilliant musicians. I would be surprised if Mew thought it was an insult to be mentioned in the same breath.

Cheers

Stuart

I know a concept album is a prog as you can get. That was my point. I have heard both Yes and Camel, ableit briefly, but long enough to know what utter wretched muso wank shit it is. The fact that you talk about what "brilliant musicians" Yes are cements my opinion.

[jester1470]

Originally Posted by Larsen B

I know a concept album is a prog as you can get. That was my point. I have heard both Yes and Camel, ableit briefly, but long enough to know what utter wretched muso wank shit it is. The fact that you talk about what "brilliant musicians" Yes are cements my opinion.

OK that last bit confuses me, good musicians cant write good tunes etc ? Or good musicians dont make good rock stars, I'm confused.

Cheers

Stuart

[Larsen B]

Originally Posted by jester1470

OK that last bit confuses me, good musicians cant write good tunes etc ? Or good musicians dont make good rock stars, I'm confused.

Cheers

Stuart

You are clearly enthusing purely over their technical ability, which most prog bands have in anbundance whilst lacking any real soul.