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Originally Posted by SensesWorkingOverTime

im confused allsystemsfail. did you like HWMs music? or just their punk credentials?

Bout the band themselves? Ain't got any feelings bout them one way or the other. However, I'm disappointed that a once respected punk outfit would choose to go out on the road with a band such as NFG.

Originally Posted by HowLongIsTheNight?

Hot Water Music are still musically strong today as they have ever been. they've never released a "filler" album, and are still one of the finest live bands out there. Doesn't really matter what label they are on, that is irrelevant. It's their passion for music and their fanbase that counts.

Martin C x

If we're talkin bout punk, it is not irrelevant.

[kirkt]

I don't think it matters personally...Hot Water Music are in my opinion of one of the most important punk acts in the world right now and the more people that gets to hear them, the better. I've lost no respect for them for it.

[SensesWorkingOverTime]

Originally Posted by allsystemsfail

If we're talkin bout punk, it is not irrelevant.

well....you're wrong

[HowLongIsTheNight?]

Originally Posted by allsystemsfail

If we're talkin bout punk, it is not irrelevant.

But I wasn't talking about punk, i was talking directly about HWM's music and loyal fanbase, and the fact that a more younger/pop punk fanbase will be exposed to a talented and established band, and hence be open to a more open music scene than they are used to. It doesn't really matter in that scenario what type of label is envolved.

Martin C x

[*Amy*]

Originally Posted by allsystemsfail

Bout the band themselves? Ain't got any feelings bout them one way or the other. However, I'm disappointed that a once respected punk outfit would choose to go out on the road with a band such as NFG.

I really don't want an argument, but WHY? Why the disappointment? A chance for more fans - and I do realise it's about more than that (underground 4 lyfe!) - is not such a bad thing. It's like you're stereotyping NFG fans here. Hell, maybe dozens of them are actually HWM fans themselves, so there's a chance to see them that they perhaps wouldn't have got before.

I take it you won't be going to see them then? I would've but there's no Scottish dates this time.

Originally Posted by SensesWorkingOverTime

well....you're wrong

You forget the communities politics. The DIY ethic is an extremely important facet of the punk underground. So, it does indeed matter.

[milner]

what have nfg done wrong like?
Why shouldnt a band want to tour with them?

[SensesWorkingOverTime]

Originally Posted by allsystemsfail

You forget the communities politics. The DIY ethic is an extremely important facet of the punk underground. So, it does indeed matter.

i forget them cos they mean nothing to me. im a music fan, not a politician

so, to me, it doesnt matter, and i think you're wrong and youve wasted your life

Originally Posted by HowLongIsTheNight?

But I wasn't talking about punk, i was talking directly about HWM's music and loyal fanbase, and the fact that a more younger/pop punk fanbase will be exposed to a talented and established band, and hence be open to a more open music scene than they are used to. It doesn't really matter in that scenario what type of label is envolved.

Martin C x

But HWM are a punk outfit, and so their actions should be considered on that basis. I do appreciate where you're coming from, but I disagree.