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[Dave]

Originally Posted by bryn

As though we are all just dancing monkeys or jesters? To anyone of musical credibility, the thought of mere entertainment is insulting.

You're taking the piss, right? Please tell me you are. Otherwise we've got a ten page debate coming up...

[bryn]

Originally Posted by Louis Louie

You're taking the piss, right? Please tell me you are. Otherwise we've got a ten page debate coming up...

Why would I be taking the piss? quite obviously theres much more to music than entertainment. I don't goto gigs for entertainment, I see shit hollywood films for entertainment. Surely, live music should be in some way moving or offer inspiration. Everyone should try and do something different, you don't have to be a virtuoso. I was watching Later with jools holland last week where this teenage scottish girl played this incredibily creative piece where she looped things on her acoustic guitar (percussion on the wood of the instrument, vocal lines etc). It takes intelligence to be creative though, and, some of the people on here make you wonder...

[HeinzHines]

Back to the orignal point if not already lost.
To me (on a personal note and not a point to start an argument) i really think the needles are shit, but like i say, personal thing, not questioning there technical accuracy.

But the list makes me wonder what these shits are listening to? Why no mention of masamune or politik, these are bands that arent just fucking great but really inspiarational.

Good on HG#1 on getting on the list.

But i think lists like these are a bunch of bull shit that dont make any sense to what people really think.

Fuck im drunk, does any of what i said make sense?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by bryn

Why would I be taking the piss? quite obviously theres much more to music than entertainment. I don't goto gigs for entertainment, I see shit hollywood films for entertainment.

Right, here's where we have to find a definition for "entertainment". And also, eventually, "art". Surely all forms of creative expression, including literature, music, visual and performance, exist in order to bring some form of pleasure to the willing consumer? Otherwise, the creative talents of an individual who fails to gain audience for their work can be dismissed as a mere hobby.

As for going to gigs, in my experience the performers are going to try and put on a show that provokes a reaction from the audience, be it on the dancefloor or on a more emotional level. Either way, a successful gig is one in which the majority of customers leave feeling happy and entertained.

Originally Posted by bryn

Surely, live music should be in some way moving or offer inspiration. Everyone should try and do something different, you don't have to be a virtuoso. I was watching Later with jools holland last week where this teenage scottish girl played this incredibily creative piece where she looped things on her acoustic guitar (percussion on the wood of the instrument, vocal lines etc). It takes intelligence to be creative though, and, some of the people on here make you wonder...

Live music can also make you want to jump like an epileptic banana overdosed on mexican beans. I agree, there's no point in trying to ape someone else's schtick, but getting back to the points I made about The Needles; they are unique in the modern music scene in terms of the material and showmanship they are offering. There are two members of the band that qualify for virtuoso status, and the other two aren't far behind. The most important thing for them, though, is to entertain the people who have paid to hear them play.

[bryn]

Originally Posted by Louis Louie

Either way, a successful gig is one in which the majority of customers leave feeling happy and entertained.

But then theres a world of difference between happy and entertained. Generally, entertainment in its modern gig going context doesn't hold connotations of art. I'm sure people who go to modern 'serious music' recitals arent there primarily for entertainment (as opposed to kids who want to jump around) leave feeling happy but more importantly feel possibly touched, inspired or just love hearing insane shred cello solos. To me, entertainment is cheap, gimmicky and certainly not the word that pops into my head as a term for art - virtuoso or not.

Originally Posted by bryn

I see shit hollywood films for entertainment.

Surely, films should be in some way be moving or offer inspiration. Everyone should try and do something different, you don't have to be a visionary. I was watching talking movies last week...

blah blah blah.

You're trying to make a intellectual debate out of a quip. That's silly.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Jazz

Your band have a song called Jock Girls, therefore you lack the capacity to form meaningful opinions.

1. It's childish to insult someone's band in order to try and get a rise out of them.
2. My band doesn't have a song called Jock Girls.

[Larsen B]

Originally Posted by Bob

Surely, films should be in some way be moving or offer inspiration. Everyone should try and do something different, you don't have to be a visionary. I was watching talking movies last week...

blah blah blah.

You're trying to make a intellectual debate out of a quip. That's silly.



1. It's childish to insult someone's band in order to try and get a rise out of them.
2. My band doesn't have a song called Jock Girls.

Aren't you in Point of Origin?

[jester1470]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Jazz

Aren't you in Point of Origin?

Point of Origin don't exist anymore so I'd guess he isn't

Cheers

Stuart

[Larsen B]

Originally Posted by jester1470

Point of Origin don't exist anymore so I'd guess he isn't

Cheers

Stuart

Well then did he used to be in Point of Origin?

[RF Scott]

Originally Posted by Charlotte

It would be great if someone could post up the list.

50 Best Bands
Altered Images, Arab Strap, The Associates, Average White Band, Aztec Camera, Bay City Rollers, Belle and Sebastian, The Beta Band, Big Country, Bis, The Blue Nile, Boards of Canada, Bronski Beat, The Cocteau Twins, Deacon Blue, The Delgados, Lonnie Donegan, Donovan, Eurythmics, The Exploited, Fire Engines, Franz Ferdinand, Goodbye Mr Mackenzie, Idlewild, The Incredible String Band, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Josef K, Love and Money, Lulu, John Martyn, Frankie Miller, Mogwai, Mull Historical Society, Nazareth, One Dove, Orange Juice, The Pastels, Primal Scream, The Proclaimers, The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, The Shamen, Simple Minds, Snow Patrol, Rod Stewart, Teenage Fanclub, Texas, The Trashcan Sinatras, Travis, The Vaselines, Wet Wet Wet

New Talent
Aberfeldy, Aereogramme, The Aphrodisiacs, ballboy, Biffy Clyro, Calamateur, Camera Obscura, Christ, Desc, Dirty Hospital, Dogs Die In Hot Cars, The FB Collective, Flying Matchstick Men, Frog Pocket, Fuck Off Machete, Half Cousin, Hoboken, Hookers Green No 1, David Jack, Josephine, Kain, Kin Creosote, Laeto, Lapsus Linguae, Le Reno Amps, Live Sciences, Lone Pigeon, The Magnificents, Mother and the Addicts, Mouse Eat Mouse, Mylo, Multiplies, My Latest Novel, The Needles, Northen Alliance, Odeon Beat Club, Park Attack, The Pictish Trail, Poor Old Ben, Satellite Dub, Scatter, Sluts of Trust, Sons and Daughters, Swimmer One, Terra Diablo, theonewhoflew, Unkle John and Whitelock, Unkle Bob, Won Mississippi, James Yorkston