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[karl]

I'm still in contact with Pat who teaches martial arts in his school near the beach. he has health issues at the moment which he seems to be beating.

First met him at the Other record Store where him and many of the punks would hang out. I know he toured around with Crass but he set up the 62 for local bands and also started the Music Support Group which you still see in nearly every community youth centre in Aberdeen especially the Foyer and the Torry Youth centre.

The profits from the gigs went on a new PA system and then the profits from that paid the likes of beefy robertson (Hum), Jappo (Carnage drummer?), Dek Stewart (Malfunction) to teach music skills to young punks who then went on to form bands. These guys are still doing this - I last saw Dek at Bruce Millars teaching.

1 up's Titch started his DJ career through the gigs at the 62. Pat would teach us how to use the PA system so each band was truly 'independent'

His band, The Hum, were meant to have supported Spear of Destiny on their Aberdeen date but something happened between pat and the venue that was pretty nasty. Pat also helped organise the gigs at the Unemployment Festivals and was heavily involved in video and art at the Community Arts Association. He was about to put on Crass at the International Police Conference which got cancelled and Crass also split up. He put the Poison Girls on at St K's and ran gigs for a while in different venues before leaving it for others to carry on. He worked at nightclubs as a doorman for many years after that.

He was mates in later days with Riley who was in Carnage and is now living in Australia i hear. I believe him, Fred, anna and some others were employed as storytellers at the library at one time!

I can remember getting in a few few Cobweb gigs - next to the Prince of Wales before it got knocked down. There were a number of punks who died around the time and the scene drifted.

I'll let him know the conversation is on here.

[karl]

Originally Posted by wullie p

this is a loooonngggg shot
just surfed in on this discussion
was in a band in 84 fae fife called societys victim
we played the 62 wi alternative and possibly carnage ( age n drink taking its toll )
........
whit a nite that gig was we fell oot wi every fekker lol
awrabest wullie p

I recall the night. I was upstairs in the cafe with little annie Anderson when a call went out for Pat as there was trouble. I think the lead singer - a big guy - kicked Phil Gordons dog.

I got into the hall downstairs just in time to see Freddy hit the singer. it then got calmed down. After you played or even during it it kicked off again and you lot got kicked out. You had an asian? skinhead with you who came back in and hit a boy called brian on the head with a tyre lever.

I dont think anyone but Carnage knew who you were and they were in a right state.

[droid]

Don't you mean Dek McDonald of Malfunction?Titch played in bands before he started dj'ing,Sedition was one that played at the Cobweb as well as the 62.

[Alan Cynic]

Free Tibet and I were just reminiscing about Cobweb last night......pity the place got demolished

[Shaki]

Originally Posted by karl

I recall the night. I was upstairs in the cafe with little annie Anderson when a call went out for Pat as there was trouble. I think the lead singer - a big guy - kicked Phil Gordons dog.

I got into the hall downstairs just in time to see Freddy hit the singer. it then got calmed down. After you played or even during it it kicked off again and you lot got kicked out. You had an asian? skinhead with you who came back in and hit a boy called brian on the head with a tyre lever.

I dont think anyone but Carnage knew who you were and they were in a right state.

The good old days sound rather violent

[karl]

Originally Posted by Shaki

The good old days sound rather violent

I think gigs in general were. I still get amazed at some gigs that there is no trouble.
Around that time, the Angelic Upstarts were playing at Fusion and there was a stabbing mainly as the dandy dons were competing with Celtic at the top of the league. This spilt over to the trouble at the Music Hall with the four be two's who had Defiant Pose supporting and whos roadies were wearing celtic shirts. The singer jumped into a crowd of Hilton boys and it just accelerated as the night went on.

The Venue used to be rough, with kincorth sitting on one side and torry and others on the other. Even the reggae discos at St Ks were vicious at times. Those were the times we were in and you had to look after yourself. Generally if it were just the punks then there was no trouble.

Remember there were not many nightclubs then. You had champers, mr g's had not long opened and Tatlers had a late license upstairs. So going to gigs was slightly different in that it was an excuse to have a later night which saw a lot of different factions.

Punks were always chased by guys coming out of the lodge - now jimmy cheungs - and throughout the country there was a lot of trouble with riots, the NF, protests through to the miners strike.

As for the 62, it was mainly Pat who stopped the trouble, once he stepped in then others would back him up. Him and Dod Copland went big time into the martial arts, maybe because of this?

Not all the 'punks' were at the 62. There were the likes of Hen, Harper etc who were at the Harriet bar and then down to Valhallas along with Mike Craighead, Les Clark and the romantics/goths. You had the faces in each area and then the town punks like Marsh, Pat and Alice who was a skinhead. you'd find them at the star and garter.

Drummonds came onto the scene around 88, mainly from Ian Slater of APB i think. Hen, Mike who worked for Aberdeen Promotions, were all involved. The pelican took over from the Bang Club and Fever opened with Clash fanatic Bruce Mills on the door. Both these places would bring in Pat to deal with things when it got too naughty.

just some memories....

[Shaki]

I don't think I've seen any trouble at the hundreds of gigs in Aberdeen I've been at bar a few Friday night fights in Drummonds which would have happened whether there was a band playing or not.

I suppose you've got a point in that there are so many places for people to go till 3am these days compared to back then. I'm sure the attendance at gigs back then must have been a lot better than it is now as a result of that?

Still as much chance of getting your face caved in on the walk home these days though....

[Goober]

Toxik's playing Drummond's on Saturday.

[Fast Caz]

Lets facking lynch the mods and chant mob 47 all night!.

Sounds ideal to me.

[Gus Chamber]

"Do you get a buzz when you reminisce?"